"the old reach around" ooh err missus!greengiant wrote:Good thing about having long arms is I can do the old reach around to leave post behind the door out of site! Easier than trying to mail it through the letterbox on an open door!steve1873 wrote:I think technically, then yes you should take it back to the DO endorsed. However, common sense should apply. I certainly know what I would do in this situation and have done for nearly 10 years and not had a single complaint or issue regarding this.greengiant wrote:I've noticed a lot of people leaving their front door open during this hot weather. I take it then, you shouldn't post through the letter box on the open door while calling out "Post!" as this shows the delivery point is insecure? At least calling out "post" lets the addressee know that they have mail. Or should one return the mail and endorse it as unsecure location?steve1873 wrote:The argument is, if the porch door is shut, we are to assume that it is locked and thus a secure delivery point. The minute we have to open a door to leave a parcel, we are showing to ourselves and any would be thieves on-looking that the delivery is not secure.dave72 wrote:What if their letterbox is on the unlocked porch door, can you not deliver their mail?
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wabbithunta
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"Better to die on your feet than live a life time on your knees"
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Jamesethefirst
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SweetTuffers1875 wrote:Yawn yawn feckity yawn. If they ain't in, tough sh1t, they ain't getting it.
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Edward Hunter
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my rules. I will try delivery to one neighbour for tracked items. General packets if i know the neighbour is likely to be in or the customer has requested it . Recorded deliveries go back to the office. If a porch door is open - the packet goes in.
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Cue the comments of "I can get half my round done in 20 minutes etc" For Gods sake, slow down, it's not a race.albebb wrote:it takes you 20mins to walk half a mile?
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Leave it with the neighbourmonkeymutha wrote:What do you do with a recorded letter? Do you get neighbour to sign for it then put it through the letterbox? Or leave it with the neighbour?
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With all due respect you think its pathetic because your looking at this from a receivers point of view not a senders, or an employers.
Its not about why the resident leaves a porch open, but what you do when you attempt to deliver.
Also what you suggest the residents put on a notice is exactly what you should be doing anyway. Do you have a notice for the milkman indicating where he should leave your pinks of semi-skinned.
All you have to do is make sure the mail is safe, that's the extent of your responsibility. The security of the buildings is theirs.
If people don't want stray dogs in their garden should they lock their gate - meaning we can't enter.Kezroyalmail wrote:This is pathetic.if the person doesn't want mail left in a unlocked porch,then lock it.
Its not about why the resident leaves a porch open, but what you do when you attempt to deliver.
Why would they. If you comply they get their post easy for them - but if it goes missing the argument of "I was only following orders" wont wash. The risk is entirely on YOU.Kezroyalmail wrote:if they can't lock it put a sign on door saying please put mail in inner door and parcels send back to office.
Also what you suggest the residents put on a notice is exactly what you should be doing anyway. Do you have a notice for the milkman indicating where he should leave your pinks of semi-skinned.
No you don'tKezroyalmail wrote:as if we have all the crap of delivering and we have to make sure the porch is safe.
All you have to do is make sure the mail is safe, that's the extent of your responsibility. The security of the buildings is theirs.
But as the receiver there is no risk for you, just the poor worker who may be taking a chance with his job.Kezroyalmail wrote:thats the homeowners job.i leave my porch open when expecting a parcel if not I lock it,simple.
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CAMPINGBLUNDERER
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So what would people suggest when leaving mail in insecure rural locations ? ,I'm talking feed bags on locked gates , upturned buckets in hedges , drop in on the Kitchen table ,stables,American style boxes at the end of long Farm lanes etc ( on some of the duties I cover this can account for nearly 50% )
Do we return the mail to the office and endorse it ? Bearing in mind that this is the way that it has been delivered for many years without issue and I'm 100 % sure that it would attract many complaints if we did.
It does seem to me that there are different rules for Town and Rural duties , I have yet to get a definitive answer when asking various Managers
Do we return the mail to the office and endorse it ? Bearing in mind that this is the way that it has been delivered for many years without issue and I'm 100 % sure that it would attract many complaints if we did.
It does seem to me that there are different rules for Town and Rural duties , I have yet to get a definitive answer when asking various Managers
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CAMPINGBLUNDERER wrote:So what would people suggest when leaving mail in insecure rural locations ?
CAMPINGBLUNDERER wrote:Do we return the mail to the office and endorse it ?
The rules are the same for all and are given in the opening post(s), what you and your recipients are after is special privileges and I'm afraid they're not coming any time soon!CAMPINGBLUNDERER wrote:It does seem to me that there are different rules for Town and Rural duties , I have yet to get a definitive answer when asking various Managers
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Kezroyalmail
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Customers should lock their porch if their worried about security.If they can't lock it put a sign up saying put mail in inner letterbox and parcels send back to office if not in.Thats what a few of my customers do.most say leave in porch.they would go mad if I put a P739 through
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Kezroyalmail wrote:Customers should lock their porch if their worried about security.If they can't lock it put a sign up saying put mail in inner letterbox and parcels send back to office if not in.Thats what a few of my customers do.most say leave in porch.they would go mad if I put a P739 through
problem is your getting mixed up who the customer actually is, its the sender not the recipients, you are supposed to look out for the senders interest not the recipients
your recipients may go mad, but you are only doing exactly what you should be doing, better to leave a 739 and have an unhappy recipient than get a p45 for lost stolen packets and have an unhappy postie who only thought he was doing someone a favour
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Kezroyalmail
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Sounds like one rule for letters and another for parcels.letters that go in porches are always unsafe as not many lock the porch.so should we open every porch to see if it's locked? We would have arms like Popeye.there would be loads of posties with tennis elbow.sounds like RM don't really know how to deal with this.
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Kezroyalmail
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Also we haven't been told anything about security at our place.the mgrs just say put it in first point of entry.are they trying to fob us off then sack us if we leave it in porch????
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Kezroyalmail
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How can they say letters and little packets that you can get through porch letterbox are ok in an unsecured porch.letters are just as bad as big parcels what with all the fraud these days.
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They are not ok in unsecure porches. The rule is exactly same for parcels and letters, if door is shut it is assumed to be secure, the householder then has the onus on them as to whether it is actually locked or not, if you try the door the onus is then on the postie for the securityKezroyalmail wrote:How can they say letters and little packets that you can get through porch letterbox are ok in an unsecured porch.letters are just as bad as big parcels what with all the fraud these days.
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Kezroyalmail
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What! So if the porch is open and there's no other place to post LETTERS I have to P739 them letters?zx135 wrote:They are not ok in unsecure porches. The rule is exactly same for parcels and letters, if door is shut it is assumed to be secure, the householder then has the onus on them as to whether it is actually locked or not, if you try the door the onus is then on the postie for the securityKezroyalmail wrote:How can they say letters and little packets that you can get through porch letterbox are ok in an unsecured porch.letters are just as bad as big parcels what with all the fraud these days.
Holy crap this is doin my head in.
Sometimes I open the porch when they have a low letterbox (saves my back) so then I realise it's not safe and have to take the letters back to office