Please Don't Strike Prior to Christmas

[mailjock]

My heart bleeds - no it really does - if this was actually a customer.

The chances of it being a customer are zilch.

[Wild Rover]

I am a small mail-order business owner, who has come here because I have *no* other way of expressing my thoughts at my treatment. There is *nobody* I can complain to, *nobody* I can turn to. I am desperate.

After 10 years as a single parent on Income Support, I started this business 9 years ago with no working capital. This is the first year I might have turned a profit. I have a husband who can no longer find manual unskilled work because those jobs are mostly done by Eastern Europeans (that *your* Union supports), and we have 5 children.
Please do *not* treat your customers with such contempt. You and I have a symbiotic relatiionship - we need one another.
*if* there was *any* other service we could use, we would have left in droves and some of you would have lost your jobs as a result of that alone. Of course there *is* no other service, so you can safely renege on your part of the bargain and leave all of us high and dry.

Please get back to work and earn your crust, the same as the rest of us. When the competition is introduced (and it *will* be, whatever you do), you can all apply for jobs there - we won't need less postmen. Stop being bothered about petty crap like afternoon deliveries - the customers (i.e.*us*) won't like it and we will complain anyway. Pay cuts..well I've just had to take a 60% pay cuit due to loss of business through the strike. Not to mention how many parcels were lost (and replaced at our expense) during the last two strikes when they employed casuals.

Oh yeah...and if you think your Union leaders are acting in your interest, find out how many fraternise with the enemy when you are looking the other way. How many are getting paid, using their expenses for this, and have their snouts in the trough while you think you are supporting a great cause - they are in it for what they can get, just as the bosses are - if you doubt that, think about who will be sacked when they have to slim the business down. Only rely on yourself, trust your own judgment, take care of your own interests - that is all that matters, whether anyone else says otherwise or not.

Out of my own self-interest, I appeal to you all not to strike prior to Christmas - there are many many small businesses like mine that grew from the desperation not being able to get 'proper' jobs. Many of us are sick, uneployable, or parents who cannot afford childcare. Many of us only make the business pay due to Christmas business.
RM *will be privatised regardless of what you or I think or want or do. Sometimes you just have to accept the inevitable, just as I might have to. That's life. You can either go with the flow and have a chance of surviving, or fight every step of the way and sink instead.

Thank you for listening.

Go f**k yourself and wallow in your own self-petty elsewhere - i can't be any nicer than that

[TrueBlueTerrier]

It frankly amazes me that so many people say either:

I did not fight for my pay and conditions to be kept as they are so you shouldn't.

or

We want a decent postal service and blame us when its going down hill. Look at what has happened in the last 4 - 5 years

Have the CWU

Withdrawn services from the PO -------No
Undercut RM so its no Longer profitable..................No
Agreed a loss making price with DSA --------------No
Closed Post Offices ------------ No
Plan on Closing more ----------- No
Making deliveries later ----------No
Making collections earlier .........No
Stopped 2nd Deliveries ---------No (now the only delivery will be later than the 2nd one was)
Cancelling collections on Sundays ----------------- No
Cancelling collections on Bank Holidays ----- No

Did we bring in Job and finish ----------------No (We opposed it and now :cfo is using it against us)

[evilc]

Fair enough, but a few points.

"What the post workers are doing may be for the greater long term good, I dunno, but I can see some businesses going to the wall if this is dragged out for months."

[color=blue]One of the reasons strikes are taking place is to protect the service you currently have, leighton and crozier want later deliveries, early collections etc.[/color]

"My job/hours/earnings have changed regularly over the years, and I work for myself. Sometimes it's a load of shizzle but that is'nt your problem, it's mine, and that is why you are not suffering as a result, or in fact even having to hear about it until now."

[color=#]Another change royal mail would like is there so called flexible working ie: hours could change as much -2hrs or + 2hrs either aside of your regular duty time at their whim.[/color]

"I have been in jobs I didn't enjoy, s**t management etc, I left. If being a postie is a load of turd and the management are crap then leave. They will either replace you or realise their error. I can't be a hostage."

Well I am proud to be a postie and would like to continue to be proud, however is it my fault if royal mail continue to run the service down and it is posties on the streets who get the flack, not managers who hide in ivory towers.

"Seriously if further strikes are planned then I would strongly consider keeping a service open to businesses. We have to migrate whether we agree with the postworkers or not, then your problems worsen."

[color=#]Strike action is taken at a last resort and if business's are that upset then makes complaints to royal mail old street London.[/color]


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[IWW Fellow Worker]

My heart bleeds - no it really does - if this was actually a customer.

The chances of it being a customer are zilch.

I thought that after his first few posts. Same with Girly Trends.

[Opti]

My heart bleeds - no it really does - if this was actually a customer.

The chances of it being a customer are zilch.

I thought that after his first few posts. Same with Girly Trends.

Jees, come on then, let's have the conspiracy theory.

[L Tommo]

I am a small mail-order business owner, who has come here because I have *no* other way of expressing my thoughts at my treatment. There is *nobody* I can complain to, *nobody* I can turn to. I am desperate.

After 10 years as a single parent on Income Support, I started this business 9 years ago with no working capital. This is the first year I might have turned a profit. I have a husband who can no longer find manual unskilled work because those jobs are mostly done by Eastern Europeans (that *your* Union supports), and we have 5 children.
Please do *not* treat your customers with such contempt. You and I have a symbiotic relatiionship - we need one another.
*if* there was *any* other service we could use, we would have left in droves and some of you would have lost your jobs as a result of that alone. Of course there *is* no other service, so you can safely renege on your part of the bargain and leave all of us high and dry.

Please get back to work and earn your crust, the same as the rest of us. When the competition is introduced (and it *will* be, whatever you do), you can all apply for jobs there - we won't need less postmen. Stop being bothered about petty crap like afternoon deliveries - the customers (i.e.*us*) won't like it and we will complain anyway. Pay cuts..well I've just had to take a 60% pay cuit due to loss of business through the strike. Not to mention how many parcels were lost (and replaced at our expense) during the last two strikes when they employed casuals.

Oh yeah...and if you think your Union leaders are acting in your interest, find out how many fraternise with the enemy when you are looking the other way. How many are getting paid, using their expenses for this, and have their snouts in the trough while you think you are supporting a great cause - they are in it for what they can get, just as the bosses are - if you doubt that, think about who will be sacked when they have to slim the business down. Only rely on yourself, trust your own judgment, take care of your own interests - that is all that matters, whether anyone else says otherwise or not.

Out of my own self-interest, I appeal to you all not to strike prior to Christmas - there are many many small businesses like mine that grew from the desperation not being able to get 'proper' jobs. Many of us are sick, uneployable, or parents who cannot afford childcare. Many of us only make the business pay due to Christmas business.
RM *will be privatised regardless of what you or I think or want or do. Sometimes you just have to accept the inevitable, just as I might have to. That's life. You can either go with the flow and have a chance of surviving, or fight every step of the way and sink instead.

Thank you for listening.

SORRY BUT THERE IS SO MUCH I JUST CANT FEEL ANY APATHY FOR WHEN YOU HAVE WORDS LIKE... "STOP BEING BOTHERED BY PETTY CRAP." AND "RM WILL BE PRIVATISED REGARDLESS."

OK... 1... So you think its petty crap that we are lied cheated and harrassed and bullied by RM and the Goverment...???? You thinks its "PETTY" That RM ruin this service that has been the best for over 350 years????? You think its "PETTY" that If we The Union... Not the fatcats or top bods OR Billy Hayes and Dave Ward... US THE WORKERS want to work and want to not lose pay and not be on strike in the bigger picture.... BUT WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE... OUR Union has negotiated on our behalf and has said we always wanted talks... RM... IE... Big Al n lil adam NEVER WANTED TALKS.. They wanted to tell us... LAST OFFER THATS IT.. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT....

SO we left it and fight for whats right......

2.... YOU AINT GOT A CRYSTAL BALL AND CANT SEE THE FUTURE!!! If RM is privatised????????? Then the people first will have to agree to this.... THE PEOPLE OF GB AND NI...... NOT Fat cats and establishment and some big business tycoon and there old school chums....


So if you want ANYONE on this site to listen to YOU then respect this is a POSTIE site for all peoples and DONT lay the law down or tell us that YOU HAVE PROBLEMS... WE ALL HAVE PROBLEMS... WE ALL ARE IN THE SAME BOAT... U start by saying " YOU HAVE NO OTHER WAY OF EXPRESSING MY THOUGHTS." Well get intouch with your local MP and write to the PM and parliment and ask to help the posties fight to save this service of all PEOPLES OF THESE LANDS...... YOU CAN HELP AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A SERVICE....

out

NEVER LET THE BASTARDS GRIND US DOWN!!!

[postiemik]

I've got a disabled child, my boss not only wants me to work my normal hours but
if needed more on top for free - at no notice, perhaps you could send your hubby up here to look after him while I cover my work mates who are on sick or holiday? My wonderfull boss also wants to reduce my pay by not coughing up my tiny portion of the profit he makes on leaflet items I spend my own time getting ready, and rob my pension to boot. I'm sorry you are losing money I do not want to strike at all but I've reached the end of my rope and we've got to do something now before we have no service left!

[opgpat]

YOU ARE TALKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE!!!!!

GO TELL YOUR SOB STORY TO THE TWO TOP BOSSES WHO WANT US TO BE SLAVES TO THEIR ARROGANT MANAGERS WHIM.

YOU WANT US TO ACQUIESCE AND BECOME SLAVE WORKERS SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE A TIDY PROFIT FROM YOUR BUISNESS.
HA HA HA HA I DON'T THINK SO.

YOU ARE AS SELFISH A PERSON AS I HAVE COME ACROSS ALL DAY - WELL, SINCE LEAVING THE DEPOT.

[cabbage325]

I've got a disabled child, my boss not only wants me to work my normal hours but
if needed more on top for free - at no notice, perhaps you could send your hubby up here to look after him while I cover my work mates who are on sick or holiday? My wonderfull boss also wants to reduce my pay by not coughing up my tiny portion of the profit he makes on leaflet items I spend my own time getting ready, and rob my pension to boot. I'm sorry you are losing money I do not want to strike at all but I've reached the end of my rope and we've got to do something now before we have no service left!

could,nt have said it better myself

[Opti]

YOU ARE TALKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE!!!!!

GO TELL YOUR SOB STORY TO THE TWO TOP BOSSES WHO WANT US TO BE SLAVES TO THEIR ARROGANT MANAGERS WHIM.

YOU WANT US TO ACQUIESCE AND BECOME SLAVE WORKERS SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE A TIDY PROFIT FROM YOUR BUISNESS.
HA HA HA HA I DON'T THINK SO.

YOU ARE AS SELFISH A PERSON AS I HAVE COME ACROSS ALL DAY - WELL, SINCE LEAVING THE DEPOT.

1) Your caps lock seems to be stuck.

2) They are your management, you tell em, oh that's right, they aren't listening so you need to turn us into pawns.

3) Slaves? Get a grip eh?

4) Selfish? Maybe. I think we may all be as selfish as each other.

5) Ha ha ha ha? Well time will tell whether I can keep this business going as long as you can continue as a striking postman.

6) Next time you are ill I hope the hospitals are closed while their staff throw their rattles.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

It looks as if you've thrown your rattle.

[Opti]

It looks as if you've thrown your rattle.

Yup, If I was in a union they would be on the business end of a hissy fit.

[zippy]

You're a single parent and your husband can't get a job??

well spotted sherlock!!!! see us postie's miss nowt!!!

[Opti]

You're a single parent and your husband can't get a job??

well spotted sherlock!!!! see us postie's miss nowt!!!

It does say '*After* 10 years as a single parent', but I have to admit, that post is a little suspect.