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fishtank
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

Post by fishtank »

my experience is that Royal Mail senior management know it makes no financial sense that in an all full time office to suddenly decrease full time staff by say 15 and recruit 10 part timers.
So how exactly will Royal Mail drive up efficiency in an "all full-time" office?
There isn't the indoor work to justify that anymore so what next?...6 hr deliveries?
That still produces surplus so what are we talking about,or do you think these offices should get special treatment and sit at 60EP drinking coffee while the rest of the business works its nuts off?
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

Post by Martin Walsh »

Fish there has been plenty of revisions where vacancies have been kept open or have fixed term contracts against. The problem is where the head count reduction means that they have to signicantly reduce full time staff unless they pay VR and if they do this it's takes normally 3 years to repay back and they then have to recuit part time contracts up to the duty build hours which can be up to 30 hours.

Now VR is an option , transfer or sometimes they wait until a postion becomes vacant and then back fill with a part timer.

By the way it's a myth that all of London offices are 60 EP .
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

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dingo don,t have a complex nobody mentioned London with 60 bsi
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

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dingo wrote:
You make an assumption that we will now not get to the 75/25 on the remaining the Revisions and it may get worse then 69/31 ratio. But there are a number of reasons why your wrong. Remember the Revisions which have still not been agreed have had vacancies over the last 3 years and a number of FTCs most on part time contracts ranging from 30 hours down have been recruited against the TM1 of the office. When the revision is eventually agreed those FTCs who have not done 2 years may well not have a job and these are mostly part time.
So because p/t FTC staff will lose their jobs in the revision, this will drive up the FT/PT ratio ..........and this is a good thing?
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

Post by dvbuk55 »

"In an all full time office" can only be in London because I don't know of any full time offices any where near here. There is no way there is enough work to sustain a full time staff and THAT is why a lot of these offices haven't had a revision and somehow seem to get away with it. Maybe it's a question of RM squeezing 90% of delivery offices for more and more productivity knowing that will be more than sufficient in savings to turn a blind eye to the remainder.
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

Post by Martin Walsh »

Clash that was not what I was saying at all. But because there are 3 important protections which the union has secured it is inevitable that some indivduals on fixed term contract starting with juniority first may not have a job once the revision has been concluded.

The protections I am talking about is no complusory redundancies , no permanent full timer has to become part time , no permanent part timer has to reduce their hours , all fixed term contract staff can have a permanent job after 2 years.

These inevitably mean that some part timers under 2 years may not have a job at an office after a revision that does not mean they do not get an opportunity to work in a different delivery office there after and remember if an office has been transformed FTCs should be made permanent unless agreed by the CWU and this is normally as a result of a planned closure , a revision due etc.

Now clash if you are in an office with no vacancies and the revision reduces full time staff by 10 and increase part time by 6 at say 28 hours and you have no one willing to buy down and no one who wants to move then obviously the business may give 4 vrs as those jobs go immediately but then they are faced with a postion that do they give vrs based on losing just say 11 hous as they have to then recuit 28 hour contracts.

What often is decided is that they don't cover the full times when on leave normally increases absorption and then when someone leaves they back fill the job with 28 hour contracts.

Now we have made up over 80 FTCs to permanent over the last few months over 2 years and will make up more but sadly some FTCs will not have a contract at the end as that was why they were recuited as FTCs in the first place. Our aim is to limit this as much as we can but the reality is that someone who has started say last week in an office and that office is due to complete a revision in say April and they have enough permanent part time staff then sadly unless there are vacancies elsewhere they will not have a postion.
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

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dannyboy wrote:dingo don,t have a complex nobody mentioned London with 60 bsi
Complex of course everyone loves London on this board !
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

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dingo wrote:Complex of course everyone loves London on this board !
London, that great cesspool into which all the loungers and idlers of the Empire are irresistibly drained.
Arthur Conan Doyle


I was in his pub the other day.
It's very close to our Branch Office.....
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

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dingo wrote:
dannyboy wrote:dingo don,t have a complex nobody mentioned London with 60 bsi
Complex of course everyone loves London on this board !
I don't, I think they're a bunch of cockney, wide boy chancers prepared to sell anybody out for their own benefit. :cuppa
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

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fishtank wrote:
dingo wrote:Complex of course everyone loves London on this board !
London, that great cesspool into which all the loungers and idlers of the Empire are irresistibly drained.
Arthur Conan Doyle
....
What a guy, though I have no Scottish ancestry, I somehow feel a kinship with Arty :whistle
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

Post by Martin Walsh »

In 2003 when the rest of the uk voted no in a national strike ballot and Royal Mail were introducing one delivery into offices with agreement. London voted yes in a London Weighting ballot and our action led to the biggest unofficial action since the miners. London's unofficial action was supported by Essex , Warrington , Postmouth and Coventry and lasted 11 days and led to a national agreement which paid every office £26.28 and introduced the 5 day week for the first time .

Some would and do say that was the strike which saved the union when the majority of the uk voted no some of us rescued the situation and got you an agreement.
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

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You know we really love London dingo,even south of the river but that was then and this is now and a lot has changed in 10 years.
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

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dingo wrote:In 2003 when the rest of the uk voted no in a national strike ballot and Royal Mail were introducing one delivery into offices with agreement. London voted yes in a London Weighting ballot and our action led to the biggest unofficial action since the miners. London's unofficial action was supported by Essex , Warrington , Postmouth and Coventry and lasted 11 days and led to a national agreement which paid every office £26.28 and introduced the 5 day week for the first time .

Some would and do say that was the strike which saved the union when the majority of the uk voted no some of us rescued the situation and got you an agreement.
We are not worthy :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle Of course in the 10 years since then we have seen the biggest changes in deliveries ever and none of them for the better. Some would say the 5 day week was a success but of course it brought with it the inevitable longer and longer deliveries in the end because the 5 day week brought the 8 hour day.
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

Post by Danelectro »

dingo wrote:
In it is what I previously stated is the use of PDAs to identify actual delivery performance which you did not believe was going to happen.

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PDAs-The lock function doesn't work /once at 35% it continually flashes the battery is low in a dalek manner until rendering the device useless/the software is prone to constant crashes resulting in taking out the battery to then input pin and delivery walk on boot up/constant inputting of pin/awkward to carry on loops with mail and packets/theres a screen that randomly pops up that nobody including the tech guy knows how to get out of without the classic take oot the battery approach.....and these beautifully crafted devices are now gonna identify actual delivery performance?

some OPGs haven't got the delivery walk number to hand after having to reboot for one of the above reasons so randomly input a number until the PDA accepts it -im not sure if that's why a postie in Bolton 100s of miles away delivered a packet for our office last week! :chuckle
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Re: I shall be voting "yes"

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Dan I was at a recent postal companies conference where we spoke to the new suppliers of the PDA software which has the ability to track individuals on each section of their walk and DSMs can track it on their LAN laptops.

I also have recently been involved in some mails integrity issues and they have even identified how long someone was in a block of flats to understand why they left their HCT outside .

Yes there are issues with the battery but sadly technology now exists which will identify what time any walk or CDv finishes not necessary what time we claim we finish .