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Excess D2D

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Himaggen
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Joined: 09 Oct 2007, 23:40

Re: Excess D2D

Post by Himaggen »

Why does such a simple task appear to be so difficult to understand? If you are allocated the correct number and end up with excess then either the leaflet count was 'over' or the delivered quantity was 'under'.

If the leaflets are counted by machine, which I strongly suggest is the case, then I fully expect their count to be within 1% accuracy, this means that excess is far more likely down to OPG failure. (either failure to deliver to all properties or failure to ensure that the correct number of delivery points are allocated to their walk.)

It is the duty holders responsibility to ensure that the correct amount is allocated for their walk.
All you need to know are two figures!
  1. How many delivery points have you got?
    You can count directly at the slots or ask for the number from your Manager/PHG. (It is given in APLUS, the system which prints the frame labels and also provides the figures to the leaflet companies).
  2. The number count printed on the boxes/bundels of leaflets arriving at the DO
Bear in mind that some contracts are for domestic properties only and others include businesses too. (you may need to request both figures) Also ensure that as a duty holder you should ensure that you know which delivery points are assigned as business/domestic.
Bahia Feliz
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Joined: 22 Sep 2008, 21:04
Gender: Male

Re: Excess D2D

Post by Bahia Feliz »

Himaggen wrote:Why does such a simple task appear to be so difficult to understand? If you are allocated the correct number and end up with excess then either the leaflet count was 'over' or the delivered quantity was 'under'.

If the leaflets are counted by machine, which I strongly suggest is the case, then I fully expect their count to be within 1% accuracy, this means that excess is far more likely down to OPG failure. (either failure to deliver to all properties or failure to ensure that the correct number of delivery points are allocated to their walk.)

It is the duty holders responsibility to ensure that the correct amount is allocated for their walk.
All you need to know are two figures!
  1. How many delivery points have you got?
    You can count directly at the slots or ask for the number from your Manager/PHG. (It is given in APLUS, the system which prints the frame labels and also provides the figures to the leaflet companies).
  2. The number count printed on the boxes/bundels of leaflets arriving at the DO
Bear in mind that some contracts are for domestic properties only and others include businesses too. (you may need to request both figures) Also ensure that as a duty holder you should ensure that you know which delivery points are assigned as business/domestic.
You've bored us now Himaggen :cuppa
fishtank
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Joined: 28 Sep 2007, 17:22
Gender: Male

Re: Excess D2D

Post by fishtank »

Himaggen wrote:If the leaflets are counted by machine, which I strongly suggest is the case
Sometimes the leaflets are counted by Royal Mail staff at the WBC.
These are counted by weight only.
Sometimes they arrive "pre-counted" by the supplier in bundles of 500-ish.
Royal Mail does not machine count D2D,I have no idea how the supplier "counts" them.
If it's a minimum wage job and I was doing it I would probably use the tried and tested...that looks about right to me method.

It is the duty holders responsibility to ensure that the correct amount is allocated for their walk.
No it isn't.
It's the duty holder's responsibility to keep management informed of any changes in the A+.
It is management's responsibility to ensure that the correct amount of D2D is allocated to each walk.
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Lounge Lizard
EX ROYAL MAIL
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Joined: 06 Aug 2007, 21:54

Re: Excess D2D

Post by Lounge Lizard »

fishtank wrote:
Himaggen wrote:If the leaflets are counted by machine, which I strongly suggest is the case
Sometimes the leaflets are counted by Royal Mail staff at the WBC.
These are counted by weight only.
Sometimes they arrive "pre-counted" by the supplier in bundles of 500-ish.
Royal Mail does not machine count D2D,I have no idea how the supplier "counts" them.
If it's a minimum wage job and I was doing it I would probably use the tried and tested...that looks about right to me method.

It is the duty holders responsibility to ensure that the correct amount is allocated for their walk.
No it isn't.
It's the duty holder's responsibility to keep management informed of any changes in the A+.
It is management's responsibility to ensure that the correct amount of D2D is allocated to each walk.
Incidentally, how many WBCs are there ?
If "These are counted by weight only" that doesn't mean they're inaccurate. I've seen substantial sums of cash withdrawn from a bank, each £1000 bundle of fifty £20 notes weighed only, not counted.
Himaggen
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Joined: 09 Oct 2007, 23:40

Re: Excess D2D

Post by Himaggen »

fishtank wrote:
Himaggen wrote:
It is the duty holders responsibility to ensure that the correct amount is allocated for their walk.
No it isn't.
It's the duty holder's responsibility to keep management informed of any changes in the A+.
It is management's responsibility to ensure that the correct amount of D2D is allocated to each walk.
That's what I meant, it was just badly worded. If the duty holder has not correctly represented the correct amount of delivery points for entry into APLUS then they cannot expect to receive an accurate amount.

Checking the amount against the number given on the box should be sufficient to prompt you to alert your Manager of any difference.

It may seem like a relatively futile exercise over what may only be a small difference however with say a 600 delivery point duty, any more than 6 left over is considered excessive.
gone postal
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Re: Excess D2D

Post by gone postal »

In our office the phg has to insert all surplus figures into a spread sheet on monday morning. This then gets emailed to the DSM.
Anything over 1% excess is considered a failure which our Dom is expected to investigate.
Managers managing whatever next :shock: