OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

[miffy50]

Don't believe everything you read. That docket sheet is bulging across the county.

Depending where your model week was set - but a bulging docket, especially at this time of year, is not a sign of a failed revision.

what about the previous 4 months while its been implimented then?

if you do the job properly it doesnt work. but of course if you run around, carry 2 bags, come in early and dont take your break. you will make an hour

[fishtank]

Depending where your model week was set - but a bulging docket, especially at this time of year, is not a sign of a failed revision.

I think it isn't necessarily to us.
I think it definitely is to Royal Mail and PricewaterhouseCoopers.
I think right from the start Royal Mail's idea of flexing up didn't involve any docket.
It's certainly how their managers have tried to implement it.

[bandit650]

Don't believe everything you read. That docket sheet is bulging across the county.

Depending where your model week was set - but a bulging docket, especially at this time of year, is not a sign of a failed revision.

what about the previous 4 months while its been implimented then?

if you do the job properly it doesnt work. but of course if you run around, carry 2 bags, come in early and dont take your break. you will make an hour

Well said it's a shame that a few more people don't take that stance,do your job properly then it will show cut corners and help cut jobs!

[POSTMAN]

Plymouth All Devision

PL1, 4, 8 & 9
PL2 / 3 (NCDo)
Pl5/6 (West Park)

Really? Not according to your DIV rep...
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Don't believe everything you read. That docket sheet is bulging across the county.

Has the DIV rep been informed?

[miffy50]

Plymouth All Devision

PL1, 4, 8 & 9
PL2 / 3 (NCDo)
Pl5/6 (West Park)

Really? Not according to your DIV rep...
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 7&p=503175" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't believe everything you read. That docket sheet is bulging across the county.

Has the DIV rep been informed?

I wouldnt know, our local reps, and branch secretarys are aware. other than that i wouldnt know. chris webb only visits once in a blue moon and even then its porlly cos he has too anyway.

[Stormproof]

Is your office failing with the new revision? PM me the office and Postcode (as most cities have more than 1 office)for anonymity and I'll put it on the list. Lets see how many are failing and have'nt hit the headlines yet. I don't want to put in the reports from the press just yet, rather it was from the horses mouth

If your office is in the list and is not failing anymore then please let us know.

1. BARNSLEY DO
2. STRATFORD UPON AVON DO
3. DUNDEE EAST DO
4. BARROW-IN-FURNESS DO LA13-LA17
5. LIVINGSTON DO
6. LEEDS LS1/LS2 DO
7. TROON DO
8. BEITH DO
9. DALRY DO
10. KILWINNING DO
11. NORTH WEST DO M27/M28/M38
12. CREWE DO
13. GARSTANG DO PR3
14. SHEEPSCAR DO LS6/LS7
15. DENTON DO M34
16. ADDLESTONE DO KT15
17. BRAMLEY DO LS13
18. RAYLEIGH DO SS
19. WARWICK DO
20. DEWSBURY DO
21. BELFAST DO Tomb St BT7
22. PETERLEE DO
23. SUNDERLAND DO
24. GATESHEAD DO
25. DINNINGTON DO Sheffield
26. CARLISLE DO CA1
27. MORECAMBE DO
28. HERNE BAY DO CT6
29. CALDERWAY DO WF13/14
30. FAVERSHAM DO
31. MAIDSTONE DO ME14/15/16
32. NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE(WEST) DO
33. STROUD DO GL6 Working 95+% of the time
34. DARWEN DO BB3
35. LEIGH DO
36. RUNCORN DO
37. ST HELENS DO
38. HYTHE DO CT21
39. WIGAN DO
40. MILTON KEYNES MK1-16
41. BOGNOR REGIS LDO PO21
42. EDGWARE DO (HA)
43. PINNER DO (HA) Part Revision- Failed
44. SALISBURY DO
45. ANDOVER DO
46. EASTLEIGH DO
47. ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE DO
48. CHESTERFIELD DO S40 1AA
49. BLACKPOOL DO
50. ROCHDALE DO OL16
51. ABERDEEN ALTENS
52. HOYLAKE DO CH47
53. NEWTONABBEY DO BT36
54. POLEGATE BN26
55. EASTBOURNE BN21
56. CHRISTCHURCH DO BH23
57. CAMBRIDGE DOCB4
58. BOOTLE DO l21-23
59. ROTHERHAM DO
60. NEWHAVEN DO BN9
61. WESTHAM DO BN23
62. SANDWICH CT13
63. PRESTON SOUTH DO
64. TWICKENHAM DO TW1 & TW2
65. GRIMSBY DO
66. HALFWAY DO
67. BOURNEMOUTH DO BH1-3 & BH5-8
68. OLNEY DO MK46
69. LANCASTER DO LA1
70. WAKEFIELD DO
71. ILKESTON DO
72. DUDLEY DO DY1/DY2/DY3
73. DELL DO EDINBURGH
74. BEXHILL DO
75. REDCAR DO TS10
76. NEW FERRY DO CH62
77. PRENTO DO CH43
78. SOLIHULL DO
79. KENILWORTH DO
80. PORTSMOUTH DO
81. BENFLEET DO SS7
82. BURY DO BL0
83. WEST PARK DO PLYMOUTH PL5
84. SWANSCOMBE DO DA10
85. NEWRY DO NI
86. ST AUSTELL PL25
87. ELLESMERE PORT CH65 & 66
88. STAFFORD DO ST16/17/18/19/20/21
89. BASILDON DO SS14
90. BRIGHTON DO
91. BANBURY DO
92. INVERCLYDE DO PA14-19
93. COSHAM PO6
94. ORPINGTON DO BR6
95. WALLASEY DO CH44/45
97. ASHFORD
98. TAUNTON DO TA2 TA3/4
99. BELPER DO
100.HULL HU5
101.PAISLEY DO
102.EAST KILBRIDE DO G74/G75
103.CROSBY DO L22 2AA
104.LINCOLN DO
105.DUNFERMLINE DO
106.PO7
107. PO8
108.PL6
109.CLARKSTON G76
110.BRISTOL SEDO
111.GOSFORTH DO NE3
112.MANSFIELD DO NG18
113.BURNLEY DO
114.SHIRLEY DO (SO15-17)
115.HARPENDEN DO AL5
116.ST ALBANS DO AL1
117.NEWBURY RG14
118.FOREST HALL NE12
119.BROMLEY BR1/BR2
120.WOLVERHAMPTON
121.OBAN PA34
122.HUNSLET LS10
123.HAYES DO UB3/UB4
124.SOUTHALL UB1/UB2/No cut offs but/Not using trolleys/using cars/coming in early/ect ect funny as feck ect
125.GARFORTH DO LS25 1BB
126.MELTON MOWBRAY

[dvbuk55]

Anybody know what the current total is on revisions now that Lunnun are finally taking part.

[Martin Walsh]

Change the record , we have had almost half of the revisions in London. But apart from a couple of offices which have or are being addressed none have been failures. We have 37 to do in South London out of the 48 offices , we have 4 out of 18 in East London to do , all the west London w2-14 have had revisions , 9 out of the 22 offices in North London have had revisions , 4 out of the 11 offices in North West have had revisions. W1 and EC1-4 have had revisions with only WC remaining but due to the relocation next year to the mount this will only take place once relocated.

So 52 revisions have taken place in London out of 114 offices.

We have withdrawn twice from revisions, once on the issue that fixed terms contracts should get a permanent job on the introduction of the revision and this stance led thus far to over an 100 fixed term contact staff getting a permanent job.

The second was over start times and 100 BSI etc and we now have a joint statement.

Dvbuk I and the rest of London could not really give a damm if you are jealous , angry or just being petty with your constant put downs on London. We will continue to ensure that London offices get the best deal they can and the support they need during transformation and if we need to withdraw again or ballot or use another tactic then we will.

If other areas were as organised they could do the same , we would not let indivdual offices gets stitched up and we certainly would not moan about an area who was tough and organised . Over to you !

[dvbuk55]

Change the record , we have had almost half of the revisions in London. But apart from a couple of offices which have or are being addressed none have been failures. We have 37 to do in South London out of the 48 offices , we have 4 out of 18 in East London to do , all the west London w2-14 have had revisions , 9 out of the 22 offices in North London have had revisions , 4 out of the 11 offices in North West have had revisions. W1 and EC1-4 have had revisions with only WC remaining but due to the relocation next year to the mount this will only take place once relocated.

So 52 revisions have taken place in London out of 114 offices.

We have withdrawn twice from revisions, once on the issue that fixed terms contracts should get a permanent job on the introduction of the revision and this stance led thus far to over an 100 fixed term contact staff getting a permanent job.

The second was over start times and 100 BSI etc and we now have a joint statement.

Dvbuk I and the rest of London could not really give a damm if you are jealous , angry or just being petty with your constant put downs on London. We will continue to ensure that London offices get the best deal they can and the support they need during transformation and if we need to withdraw again or ballot or use another tactic then we will.

If other areas were as organised they could do the same , we would not let indivdual offices gets stitched up and we certainly would not moan about an area who was tough and organised . Over to you !

Well dingo, I was asking what the overall revision percentage was, not just London, but considering there has been LESS than 50% of your revisions having taken place I think the point is made considering the length of time it took for you to become involved in the "deal of the century" and really it shouldn't be an us and them but just a united union front to enable fair and just revisions for all and not those with political muscle in union circles. I have to ask whose responsibility it is for toughness and organisation? We have had this point many times, you have an area of almost 100% full timers with a massive proportion of union members.................but we aren't all in your gang..........the union take all our money in equal part but it would appear to be money poorly spent when some are better supported than others.

[fishtank]

If other areas were as organised they could do the same , we would not let indivdual offices gets stitched up and we certainly would not moan about an area who was tough and organised . Over to you !

The definition of tough and organised at office level is an office that sticks together and protects every member,especially the weak.

The definition of tough and organised at area level is an area that sticks together and protects every office,especially the weak.

The definition of tough and organised at divisional level is a division that sticks together and protects every area,especially the weak.

And then for some strange reason the definition changes,the definition of our union at national level is a federal rat's nest of bitching,back biting and childish one-upmanship.
Out of the window goes the principle of an injury to one and in comes i'm all right jack,we'll fight our own battles and anyone who criticises us is just jealous.

When sitting in a divisional rep's meeting does the fact that some areas and even whole divisions are letting their members down ever come up in conversation?
Does anyone hold their hands up and admit they could do better or does the default position of blaming the members still hold the field?

It's fine to blame the members,eventually there will be so few in some areas the rep's can phone them up and blame them personally.

[Martin Walsh]

Dvbuk you were having a dig at London again , don't moan and groan if some of the union is standing up for the members. Demand yours do likewise.

Fish we have 17 PEC members and 5 national offices and we have 1500 delivery offices , we have 50 mail centres , 10 RDCs ,we have over 20 vocs , we have loads of post offices and we have cit units so you want those furtherest away from the issues to reprsent you ?


Fact is that we have a local rep structure , no other union has this in every workplace who negotiate and consult on all issues , we have a branch structure who get thousands of pounds per month to reprsent the members within their branch , you have an area rep structure , you have 18 Divisonal reps and 9 substitutes , you have 10 regional secretaries , you have parcel force regional officers you have ROMEC reps , you regional counters reps.

Those are the people who should be organising in the offices. In 2009 London said if any of our offices were attacked we would all ballot and we did and took 20 days of action it's called a union for a reason , we don't wait for headquarters as they are only as strong as the weakest link and I know as after the first day of the national strike action there were loads of offices ready to put up the white flag.

You can always catch people out in the union , loads call for a strike when they know it's never going to happen ', some of those people when we are in a strike demand we surrender.

I don't have anything to prove or justify my role is reprsent the members in London and I will continue to do that ! If you don't like that we stand together then your not a trade unionist.

[borders]

i think you guys should cut Dingo some slack.i wish the whole of the CWU UK was as strong as London CWU, in fact i wished every working person in the UK was a member of a Union.
however , many people are not wired up like me ,Dingo , Fishtank etc and have no class consciousness , solidarity or education whatsoever. we see them everyday at our coalface, running around taking their cars out , forgoing their breaks etc helping out with WCM just so they can get a cushy number etc etc - the iam alright jacks of life.
the union has many faults and has made many bad decisions but it operates within a Capitalist system that encourages individuality because that benefits the drivers of the said system. never in the history of mankind has there been more wealth been created yet today we have the poorest people bailing out the rich,important people linning their own pockets etc etc. education is the key, many people just kick back against the rotten system because the dont see any alternative.
trade unionism and education for me is the first small step towards creating a fairer, equal society.

[dvbuk55]

Dvbuk you were having a dig at London again , don't moan and groan if some of the union is standing up for the members. Demand yours do likewise.

Well believe it or not dingo I am not a lone voice in thinking that London have an unfair advantage for many reasons. Like I've said before try muscling when you have a 50% part time structure with a 50% union membership. There seems to be an unconscionable amount of influence over union affairs particularly when it involves London..............however there is a whole world outside of London of which you appear to be totally ignorant of.

[dvbuk55]

trade unionism and education for me is the first small step towards creating a fairer, equal society.

I don't really want to get involved in the polemics of trade unionism or education but I would just say that in my not inconsiderable lifetime and experience both are going backwards. If there was any strength in the argument that those two issues would in any way change the status of the poor/working class, then there hasn't been a lot of change in the over 50 years I have been a poor working class man.

[labbloke]

Dvbuk you were having a dig at London again , don't moan and groan if some of the union is standing up for the members. Demand yours do likewise.

Fish we have 17 PEC members and 5 national offices and we have 1500 delivery offices , we have 50 mail centres , 10 RDCs ,we have over 20 vocs , we have loads of post offices and we have cit units so you want those furtherest away from the issues to reprsent you ?


Fact is that we have a local rep structure , no other union has this in every workplace who negotiate and consult on all issues , we have a branch structure who get thousands of pounds per month to reprsent the members within their branch , you have an area rep structure , you have 18 Divisonal reps and 9 substitutes , you have 10 regional secretaries , you have parcel force regional officers you have ROMEC reps , you regional counters reps.

Those are the people who should be organising in the offices. In 2009 London said if any of our offices were attacked we would all ballot and we did and took 20 days of action it's called a union for a reason , we don't wait for headquarters as they are only as strong as the weakest link and I know as after the first day of the national strike action there were loads of offices ready to put up the white flag.

You can always catch people out in the union , loads call for a strike when they know it's never going to happen ', some of those people when we are in a strike demand we surrender.

I don't have anything to prove or justify my role is reprsent the members in London and I will continue to do that ! If you don't like that we stand together then your not a trade unionist.