Clocking in and out???

[unhappy union member]

it a good idea but it would never work because what would stop you clocking your partner in or out. don't say mangers the can barely run a bath

[fishtank]

it a good idea but it would never work because what would stop you clocking your partner in or out.

...a camera pointed at the clocking in/out machine.
Not difficult,that's how most companies stop it.
They are not a new thing these systems and neither are the ways of fiddling them or the ways of stopping people fiddling them.
Usually they just sack the first one caught...that's what they call a game changer.

[whatamess!!]

it a good idea but it would never work because what would stop you clocking your partner in or out. don't say mangers the can barely run a bath

I used to work for a company that your thumb print was your signing in and out, it even said good morning and your name when you clocked in and have a good evening when you clocked out! Now that's modernisation!!

I do agree clocking in cards would add to the problem as I can see managers keeping them in the office and clocking everyone out or one opg coming back and clocking everyone out.

[frankieboy]

Full time staff would never agree to this as then it would show exactly what time they finish.

[Lounge Lizard]

Full time staff would never agree to this as then it would show exactly what time they finish.

There shouldn't be a problem showing exactly what time they finish

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Full time staff would never agree to this as then it would show exactly what time they finish.

You know the trouble with a sweeping statement, that its a sweeping statement.

I am FT and I have already stated in previous discussions that I support their introduction. I have no fear about showing what time I finish.

If people are going to make a sweeping statement at least qualify it, otherwise it just an assumption which fails usually at the first dose of reality. A little saying I was taught in the forces was don't assume anything it makes an ASS out of U and ME.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Full time staff would never agree to this as then it would show exactly what time they finish.

No no no, all OPGs of any contract that cut corners (not taking meal relief; not pushing a HCT around their whole walk and instead break SSOW rules by carrying a pouch to do loops; coming in early; not giving each address 1 minute minimum for attendence calls; not using paths to go between each delivery point etc.) would never agree to this as then it would show what time they exactly finished... Send them back out with lapsing until their finish time!

[chrisj]

A follow up to clocking in and out and some FT/IPS staffer bashing... I will like the DM or Line managers to use a tannoy to call staff to the IPS and be more strict with those that take their time and/or continue to throw their own rounds when they are supposed to be on the IPS.

Also more performance testing and monitoring on busy days. It is so obvious some of them are just chucking the letters and packets in any slot/bag to get rid so they can go back to their own frames; thereby generating a lot of missorts which they (collectively) often reduce to do.

Although, I dont think FT not wanting managers to know their finish time is a reason not to approve clocking in and out. The managers are fully aware of their finish time and know full well that 'in general' FT staff work less of the time they get paid and PT work more of the time they get paid.

[worktotime]

A follow up to clocking in and out and some FT/IPS staffer bashing... I will like the DM or Line managers to use a tannoy to call staff to the IPS and be more strict with those that take their time and/or continue to throw their own rounds when they are supposed to be on the IPS.

Also more performance testing and monitoring on busy days. It is so obvious some of them are just chucking the letters and packets in any slot/bag to get rid so they can go back to their own frames; thereby generating a lot of missorts which they (collectively) often reduce to do.

Although, I dont think FT not wanting managers to know their finish time is a reason not to approve clocking in and out. The managers are fully aware of their finish time and know full well that 'in general' FT staff work less of the time they get paid and PT work more of the time they get paid.

are you ft or pt ?

[teesdale]

Id vote yes. I work with a bloke who comes in 15 minutes or more late every day and nothing is said. One and a quarter hours a week!

[justdeno]

I'm sick off people saying FTmers do not work their hours. I do, the part timers go home in my office at least 1 hour before their finish time and I work my full hour's cos I do a rural and do all their packets. They are sitting at home while I'm slogging my heart out delivering packets that will go in a letterbox, but because they may have 6 plus packets to make a shoebox size, I have to take it . I have no problems with clocking in and out might make my life easier!

[Lounge Lizard]

I'm sick off people saying FTmers do not work their hours. I do, the part timers go home in my office at least 1 hour before their finish time and I work my full hour's cos I do a rural and do all their packets. They are sitting at home while I'm slogging my heart out delivering packets that will go in a letterbox, but because they may have 6 plus packets to make a shoebox size, I have to take it . I have no problems with clocking in and out might make my life easier!

Agreed, it's many of the full time rural van duties that have little chance Wednesday to Friday of finishing on time.

[Senior Service]

I have not posted for a while but have to post on this thread and say

YES PLEASE TO CLOCKING IN AND OUT !!!

[chrisj]

So just because this person is a rural driver and gets hammered from time to time in a pre-P&L system; does that mean that the vast majority of FT staff that are not rural drivers work their time?

Just how many rural driver duties are there compared to regular duties in an office and nationwide - 5% at the most!

[justdeno]

So just because this person is a rural driver and gets hammered from time to time in a pre-P&L system; does that mean that the vast majority of FT staff that are not rural drivers work their time?

Just how many rural driver duties are there compared to regular duties in an office and nationwide - 5% at the most!

As I said All the p/t' staff go home at least 1 hour each day early. I never do, and I know in my area all the f/t staff work a full day( not just the rural's) so I say make the p/t staff work their hour's and deliver the packets that are not large enough to warrent a van to deliver them. That is the probelm everyone thinks they are hard done by. Bring in clocking in and out.