Are we going to survive Xmas?

[arnold cheshire]

limey said hes not on park and loop but his driver is i cant understand it ...


so you have a split office on park and loop then?

[Stormproof]

No i am not on park and loop.

I get bags dropped into grey boxes, put by my driver, he's park and loop.

How the hell can your driver be P & L and you not?? Think you are being had over, done up like a kipper

[arnold cheshire]

We had revision. Should be 45 mins extra to 3 1/2 hours walk.

3 and half hour is so 2005

[Cheetah]

"My walk is average 4hours 30 mins walk(take 15 mins more or less), and am exposed to all the weathers." - that's not bad. My rural duty is 4 hours on the very quietest of Tuesdays, at least 5 hours on a normal day, 6 hours with Christmas Pressure and 7 hours further slowed by snow and ice, all those times without stopping for a break.

Looking at your number of posts you are obviously a very experienced postman......

So why would you damage your health working 5,6,or even 7 hours when your agreed contract is 4 1/2 hours let alone without a break

Come on guys with all due respect it's time to stand up and be counted. I'm not encouraging anyone to work slowly here, No,...... work at a reasonable pace but for gods sake look after your health, you realy don't have to put up with this it's 2011 not 1900 in a bl..dy workhouse

[crezz]

im one of two postman that wear shorts all year in our office, i was spotted in my shorts last xmas in the thick snow and was spoken about on the local radio

it really is not that bad, i found it just as cold as wearing trousers as they seem to get wet and the wind cuts right through you then, be brave and do it! most people will laugh at you though! haha

[Limey]

We had revision. Should be 45 mins extra to 3 1/2 hours walk.

If you've had your revision then you should NOT be carrying bags, either P&L or HCTs.
Stop making things easy for RM and follow their agreements.

I don't carry my bags to the boxes. My buddy, the driver do them, he's Park and Loop. I am in his so team and in his van. He just dropped me to my first point letter. Then i whooosh to the finish point. :)

I do have a break before i left DO, Not that i need a break. Had to wait for buddy to be ready anyway.. or i can just take the early bus easy since i have my own buss pass which is not a pain in ass. ;)

I refuse to take a break outside, staring up at the blue sky is no fun :D! My areas's quiet area. No cafe or flats nearby at all. I take my break at the end of walk anyway..

Yeah The Flask of tea seems to be a good idea.. :D

[Limey]

"My walk is average 4hours 30 mins walk(take 15 mins more or less), and am exposed to all the weathers." - that's not bad. My rural duty is 4 hours on the very quietest of Tuesdays, at least 5 hours on a normal day, 6 hours with Christmas Pressure and 7 hours further slowed by snow and ice, all those times without stopping for a break.

Ouch! suck to be you! :<

[Lounge Lizard]

"My walk is average 4hours 30 mins walk(take 15 mins more or less), and am exposed to all the weathers." - that's not bad. My rural duty is 4 hours on the very quietest of Tuesdays, at least 5 hours on a normal day, 6 hours with Christmas Pressure and 7 hours further slowed by snow and ice, all those times without stopping for a break.

Looking at your number of posts you are obviously a very experienced postman......

So why would you damage your health working 5,6,or even 7 hours when your agreed contract is 4 1/2 hours let alone without a break

Come on guys with all due respect it's time to stand up and be counted. I'm not encouraging anyone to work slowly here, No,...... work at a reasonable pace but for gods sake look after your health, you realy don't have to put up with this it's 2011 not 1900 in a bl..dy workhouse

My contract is eight hours a day and I never noticed anything in it about 4½ hour delivery.
My average day might approximately be 2½ hours sorting, ½ hour break and 5 hour delivery, and I don't have a problem with that.
Yes, it's a longer duty than most walks but I wouldn't have spent just a few months part time if I had only applied for the easiest full time vacancies.
And I'm not convinced that number of posts on here is proportionate to experience as a postman.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

But on an 8 hour day you are entitled to 40 minutes paid break!

If that means your walk is unrealistic to complete having taken your break entitlement, that is not your problem, you either chose to get extended delivery overtime (and if you go past 9 hours you get another 10 minute m/r) authorised or you follow cut-off procedure to finish at your contract time...

Same applies for if you need to use the assigned tools for the walk: Don't carry a pouch if you are on park and loop (although I'm not clued up on this one, might be times when it is correct to carry the LCT bags); don't carry overweight bags and do more trips to the bag drop if necessary; don't lock up a HCT to do a loop by pouch that exceeds the risk accessment of your round etc.

Follow the rules that have been agreed between the union and RM and use them to your advantage i.e. do not "fudge" a walk to make it appear to work for your contract hours.

[fishtank]

I don't carry my bags to the boxes. My buddy, the driver do them, he's Park and Loop. I am in his so team and in his van. He just dropped me to my first point letter. Then i whooosh to the finish point. :)

That isn't how park&loop works Limey.
Who's idea was that...you.your partner,your rep,your manager....
You've been screwed over....4.30 with a bag on your shoulder...genius.
I look forward to your IHR thread.

[Phantom]

Easiest time of the year

[clashcityrocker]

That isn't how park&loop works Limey.
Who's idea was that...you.your partner,your rep,your manager....

Probably the planning team.
Have you any idea how difficult it is to get two people back to the van at the same time.....when you have to factor in different walking speeds, attendance calls, stopping to give directions etc etc?

[krussel]

Then i whooosh to the finish point

To survive xmas pressure you can forget the whoosh part.

It sounds like you may be getting stitched up The idea of park and loop is that you work with a partner from the van and only carrying small "loops" before you move off again.

It sounds your working the older way like me where you simply are out for the whole delivery with a support driver dropping off bags and overweight packets

You need to allow for the weather to turn nasty again as the last 2 years have been poor. The way to get through is to slow down to an easier pace so no more half running. You really should find somewhere to take at least a 30 min break or at least take out some form of food which you can eat on the way round to keep your energy up.

Myself, i will only be working my normal paid hours this year and will be letting someone else grab the extra overtime.

[Lounge Lizard]

But on an 8 hour day you are entitled to 40 minutes paid break!

If that means your walk is unrealistic to complete having taken your break entitlement, that is not your problem, you either chose to get extended delivery overtime (and if you go past 9 hours you get another 10 minute m/r) authorised or you follow cut-off procedure to finish at your contract time...

Same applies for if you need to use the assigned tools for the walk: Don't carry a pouch if you are on park and loop (although I'm not clued up on this one, might be times when it is correct to carry the LCT bags); don't carry overweight bags and do more trips to the bag drop if necessary; don't lock up a HCT to do a loop by pouch that exceeds the risk accessment of your round etc.

Follow the rules that have been agreed between the union and RM and use them to your advantage i.e. do not "fudge" a walk to make it appear to work for your contract hours.

Yes, I am "entitled to 40 minutes paid break" which is near enough what I said with "My average day might approximately be 2½ hours sorting, ½ hour break and 5 hour delivery", 40 minutes 'approximately' being '½ hour' if my working day is broken down into half hours.
Sometimes my break is more than a ½ hour or 40 minutes, sometimes it's less, but overall it averages out at about that.
Some days I finish before my time, other days I work over it, but if I'm much over I claim for it as obviously is my right, and I do of course have the option of cutting off although I rarely do.
I don't go in early, don't use a car and don't otherwise cut corners.
It was my choice to go for such a walk and having done so I'm not spending years moaning at still being part time after declining this walk because it's on the roughest estate intown, that walk because it's got the most houses or the other walk because it's out at an SPDO staffed by a few inbred weirdos.

[POSTMAN]

We had revision. Should be 45 mins extra to 3 1/2 hours walk.

Should be proper Park&loop working from the van.
Should be using the proper delivery methods.
Should be taking a break before leaving the office.
Shouldn't be running around like an idiot.
Are we going to survive Christmas?...i will.

Should be a lot of things Fish,but the picnic has lost a sandwich somewhere at that DO.