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No Annual Leave allowed in December
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POSTMAN
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
Never heard of the whole of Dec blocked,i always thought it was only the xmas pressure weeks,it's only that at my place not the whole month.
Some of you need to query this.
Some of you need to query this.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Judgee
- EX ROYAL MAIL
- Posts: 2262
- Joined: 23 Oct 2007, 15:18
Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
Well the 3 weeks leading up to xmas has always been blocked in our office? 
Union what Union? Do we have a union?
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scoobydo79
- Posts: 2060
- Joined: 15 May 2011, 19:04
- Gender: Male
Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
Surely if the leave you would like doesnt fall within Your offices Xmas pressure you are entitled to have it? 
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SexyLegs
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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- Joined: 13 Apr 2010, 16:00
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
Last December was quieter than the summer in my delivery office, most days we were out well before 9am, lots of cards and letters but very few flats and d2d were slow also, sign of things to come?ebbzie wrote:Its not often i defend RM but ffs they are not going to want anyone on leave during the busiest period of the year!
Have you never worked at Rm during december?
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Stormproof
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- Gender: Female
Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
SexyLegs wrote:Last December was quieter than the summer in my delivery office, most days we were out well before 9am, lots of cards and letters but very few flats and d2d were slow also, sign of things to come?ebbzie wrote:Its not often i defend RM but ffs they are not going to want anyone on leave during the busiest period of the year!
Have you never worked at Rm during december?
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Just keep on walking down never ending streets
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dvbuk55
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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- Joined: 02 Jun 2007, 19:17
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
You are joking of course, quieter than summer? On one single day during the xmas pressure we had 848 tracked packets, over 550 specials - well we've never had a christmas like it - not least of all because the revision came in in November with a full repick - believe me we have never had a christmas like it, and it was my lastSexyLegs wrote:Last December was quieter than the summer in my delivery office, most days we were out well before 9am, lots of cards and letters but very few flats and d2d were slow also, sign of things to come?ebbzie wrote:Its not often i defend RM but ffs they are not going to want anyone on leave during the busiest period of the year!
Have you never worked at Rm during december?
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Darren Bent
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- Location: Pride Park, Derby, DE24 8XL
Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
I had 3 days booked off for first weekend of December for Amsterdam Salsa Congress
. So it is possible.
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ElvisGaddafi
- Posts: 249
- Joined: 05 May 2011, 22:17
- Gender: Male
- Location: Scotland
Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
I've been a postie for 15 years and december has always been blocked off.
The sky is white as clay, with no sun.
Work has to be done.
Postmen like doctors go from house to house.
Work has to be done.
Postmen like doctors go from house to house.
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mal
- Posts: 31
- Joined: 08 Apr 2007, 23:29
Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
Unfortunately the Way Forward deals with Annual Leave at Christmas.
Selection of annual leave The objective will be as far as possible to maximise leave opportunities for employees, whilst ensuring that operational needs and the customer specification are met at all times. This agreement covers selection of full week leave and part week e.g. holidays staring mid-week. Single days leave will be agreed locally through the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.
The leave year will be April to March. The Christmas pressure period, determined by the operational unit, will be a closed period for leave. The selection process should be complete by the end of the preceding October each year.
The granting of leave must always be subject to operational requirements and fairness of allocation. Employees who wish to exchange between themselves periods of leave already signed for will be able to do so, with the agreement of the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.
Prior to annual leave signing, the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres and the line manager in other operational units, will have discretion to grant specific requests for particular periods of leave from individual employees based on their exceptional and unavoidable personal circumstances. This will include meeting the commitments of employees new to the unit where they join with holidays already arranged, without disadvantaging existing staff with agreed leave already allocated.
Assigned allowances are paid during annual leave but not non-assigned or intermittent allowances. Where assigned shift allowances are averaged across a rotation, employees may not take more than three weeks of their leave from the most unsocial shift (i.e. that which attracts the highest payment) of the rotation.
Selection of annual leave The objective will be as far as possible to maximise leave opportunities for employees, whilst ensuring that operational needs and the customer specification are met at all times. This agreement covers selection of full week leave and part week e.g. holidays staring mid-week. Single days leave will be agreed locally through the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.
The leave year will be April to March. The Christmas pressure period, determined by the operational unit, will be a closed period for leave. The selection process should be complete by the end of the preceding October each year.
The granting of leave must always be subject to operational requirements and fairness of allocation. Employees who wish to exchange between themselves periods of leave already signed for will be able to do so, with the agreement of the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.
Prior to annual leave signing, the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres and the line manager in other operational units, will have discretion to grant specific requests for particular periods of leave from individual employees based on their exceptional and unavoidable personal circumstances. This will include meeting the commitments of employees new to the unit where they join with holidays already arranged, without disadvantaging existing staff with agreed leave already allocated.
Assigned allowances are paid during annual leave but not non-assigned or intermittent allowances. Where assigned shift allowances are averaged across a rotation, employees may not take more than three weeks of their leave from the most unsocial shift (i.e. that which attracts the highest payment) of the rotation.
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mondeoman1
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- Gender: Male
Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
Cheers mal.mal wrote:Unfortunately the Way Forward deals with Annual Leave at Christmas.
Selection of annual leave The objective will be as far as possible to maximise leave opportunities for employees, whilst ensuring that operational needs and the customer specification are met at all times. This agreement covers selection of full week leave and part week e.g. holidays staring mid-week. Single days leave will be agreed locally through the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.
The leave year will be April to March. The Christmas pressure period, determined by the operational unit, will be a closed period for leave. The selection process should be complete by the end of the preceding October each year.
The granting of leave must always be subject to operational requirements and fairness of allocation. Employees who wish to exchange between themselves periods of leave already signed for will be able to do so, with the agreement of the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.
Prior to annual leave signing, the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres and the line manager in other operational units, will have discretion to grant specific requests for particular periods of leave from individual employees based on their exceptional and unavoidable personal circumstances. This will include meeting the commitments of employees new to the unit where they join with holidays already arranged, without disadvantaging existing staff with agreed leave already allocated.
Assigned allowances are paid during annual leave but not non-assigned or intermittent allowances. Where assigned shift allowances are averaged across a rotation, employees may not take more than three weeks of their leave from the most unsocial shift (i.e. that which attracts the highest payment) of the rotation.
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Pinky 1
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- Location: Wales
Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
Well at our place we've never been able to book holidays in December except for the period between Xmas and the New Year. We aint had any trouble with "seniors" either, our holidays are booked on annual rotation 
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POSTMAN
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
Thanks mal,didn't realise that was in there.The Christmas pressure period, determined by the operational unit, will be a closed period for leave.
So i'm guessing a lot are being done over!
Xmas pressure for the whole of December? Never heard of that.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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clashcityrocker
- Posts: 16736
- Joined: 22 Sep 2009, 13:50
- Gender: Male
- Location: strummerville
Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
Our p/t staff are normally made f/t for the xmas pressure.
If it now begins at the start of December, can they expect a f/t wage for 4 weeks instead of 2?
If it now begins at the start of December, can they expect a f/t wage for 4 weeks instead of 2?
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Stormproof
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- Joined: 07 Jul 2007, 21:03
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
and do they get the full xmas bonus?clashcityrocker wrote:Our p/t staff are normally made f/t for the xmas pressure.
If it now begins at the start of December, can they expect a f/t wage for 4 weeks instead of 2?
So keep on moving, moving, moving your feet
Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets
Illegitimi non carborundum
Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets
Illegitimi non carborundum
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dvbuk55
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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- Joined: 02 Jun 2007, 19:17
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December
That's a good point you make clash, everyone knows that the actual pressure starts well before the 11th BUT the declared pressure according to RM is two weeks for DOs and three weeks for MCs - does that make senseclashcityrocker wrote:Our p/t staff are normally made f/t for the xmas pressure.
If it now begins at the start of December, can they expect a f/t wage for 4 weeks instead of 2?