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No Annual Leave allowed in December

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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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Never heard of the whole of Dec blocked,i always thought it was only the xmas pressure weeks,it's only that at my place not the whole month.
Some of you need to query this.
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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Well the 3 weeks leading up to xmas has always been blocked in our office? :hmmmm
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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Surely if the leave you would like doesnt fall within Your offices Xmas pressure you are entitled to have it? :cuppa
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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ebbzie wrote:Its not often i defend RM but ffs they are not going to want anyone on leave during the busiest period of the year!
Have you never worked at Rm during december? :arrrghhh
Last December was quieter than the summer in my delivery office, most days we were out well before 9am, lots of cards and letters but very few flats and d2d were slow also, sign of things to come?
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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SexyLegs wrote:
ebbzie wrote:Its not often i defend RM but ffs they are not going to want anyone on leave during the busiest period of the year!
Have you never worked at Rm during december? :arrrghhh
Last December was quieter than the summer in my delivery office, most days we were out well before 9am, lots of cards and letters but very few flats and d2d were slow also, sign of things to come?
:shhhhh or we will all want to transfer to your office.
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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SexyLegs wrote:
ebbzie wrote:Its not often i defend RM but ffs they are not going to want anyone on leave during the busiest period of the year!
Have you never worked at Rm during december? :arrrghhh
Last December was quieter than the summer in my delivery office, most days we were out well before 9am, lots of cards and letters but very few flats and d2d were slow also, sign of things to come?
You are joking of course, quieter than summer? On one single day during the xmas pressure we had 848 tracked packets, over 550 specials - well we've never had a christmas like it - not least of all because the revision came in in November with a full repick - believe me we have never had a christmas like it, and it was my last :chuckle :chuckle
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I had 3 days booked off for first weekend of December for Amsterdam Salsa Congress :nana . So it is possible.
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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I've been a postie for 15 years and december has always been blocked off.
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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Unfortunately the Way Forward deals with Annual Leave at Christmas.

Selection of annual leave The objective will be as far as possible to maximise leave opportunities for employees, whilst ensuring that operational needs and the customer specification are met at all times. This agreement covers selection of full week leave and part week e.g. holidays staring mid-week. Single days leave will be agreed locally through the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.

The leave year will be April to March. The Christmas pressure period, determined by the operational unit, will be a closed period for leave. The selection process should be complete by the end of the preceding October each year.

The granting of leave must always be subject to operational requirements and fairness of allocation. Employees who wish to exchange between themselves periods of leave already signed for will be able to do so, with the agreement of the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.

Prior to annual leave signing, the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres and the line manager in other operational units, will have discretion to grant specific requests for particular periods of leave from individual employees based on their exceptional and unavoidable personal circumstances. This will include meeting the commitments of employees new to the unit where they join with holidays already arranged, without disadvantaging existing staff with agreed leave already allocated.

Assigned allowances are paid during annual leave but not non-assigned or intermittent allowances. Where assigned shift allowances are averaged across a rotation, employees may not take more than three weeks of their leave from the most unsocial shift (i.e. that which attracts the highest payment) of the rotation.
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mal wrote:Unfortunately the Way Forward deals with Annual Leave at Christmas.

Selection of annual leave The objective will be as far as possible to maximise leave opportunities for employees, whilst ensuring that operational needs and the customer specification are met at all times. This agreement covers selection of full week leave and part week e.g. holidays staring mid-week. Single days leave will be agreed locally through the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.

The leave year will be April to March. The Christmas pressure period, determined by the operational unit, will be a closed period for leave. The selection process should be complete by the end of the preceding October each year.

The granting of leave must always be subject to operational requirements and fairness of allocation. Employees who wish to exchange between themselves periods of leave already signed for will be able to do so, with the agreement of the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres or the line manager in other operational units.

Prior to annual leave signing, the Staff Resourcing Manager in Mail Centres and the line manager in other operational units, will have discretion to grant specific requests for particular periods of leave from individual employees based on their exceptional and unavoidable personal circumstances. This will include meeting the commitments of employees new to the unit where they join with holidays already arranged, without disadvantaging existing staff with agreed leave already allocated.

Assigned allowances are paid during annual leave but not non-assigned or intermittent allowances. Where assigned shift allowances are averaged across a rotation, employees may not take more than three weeks of their leave from the most unsocial shift (i.e. that which attracts the highest payment) of the rotation.
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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Well at our place we've never been able to book holidays in December except for the period between Xmas and the New Year. We aint had any trouble with "seniors" either, our holidays are booked on annual rotation :Very Happy
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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The Christmas pressure period, determined by the operational unit, will be a closed period for leave.
Thanks mal,didn't realise that was in there.
So i'm guessing a lot are being done over!
Xmas pressure for the whole of December? Never heard of that.
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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Our p/t staff are normally made f/t for the xmas pressure.
If it now begins at the start of December, can they expect a f/t wage for 4 weeks instead of 2?
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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clashcityrocker wrote:Our p/t staff are normally made f/t for the xmas pressure.
If it now begins at the start of December, can they expect a f/t wage for 4 weeks instead of 2?
and do they get the full xmas bonus?
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Re: No Annual Leave allowed in December

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clashcityrocker wrote:Our p/t staff are normally made f/t for the xmas pressure.
If it now begins at the start of December, can they expect a f/t wage for 4 weeks instead of 2?
That's a good point you make clash, everyone knows that the actual pressure starts well before the 11th BUT the declared pressure according to RM is two weeks for DOs and three weeks for MCs - does that make sense :crazy: