Royal Mail's Betrayal:London Divisional Committee

[Wessex]

A work to rule would be much more effective at offices where Park and Loop has been implemented.

[ronpetetrevchris]

A work to rule would be much more effective at offices where Park and Loop has been implemented.

Whoeever dismisses a work to rule straight away and limits themselves to strike action is too narrow minded and obvious to run this union.

How can a wtr not work? every office now is ran off over time, ca4rs on delivery, coming in early, give the memberd the option to fight in this way and it would be far more popular than strike action, IMO!

Worst case scenorio* only one third take part, still enough to fk myoffice and run this for a week and there is no way it can be cleared. The offices running P and L couldnt cope only last month, WITH OVERTIME, FFS.

[fishtank]

How can a wtr not work? every office now is ran off over time, ca4rs on delivery, coming in early, give the memberd the option to fight in this way and it would be far more popular than strike action, IMO!

Worst case scenorio* only one third take part, still enough to fk myoffice and run this for a week and there is no way it can be cleared. The offices running P and L couldnt cope only last month, WITH OVERTIME, FFS.

It can't work because for the first month Royal Mail will throw managers and casuals at it and after a month of seeing their earning opportunities disappear into managers pockets your third of members would become a quarter...after another month there would be you,the rep and the guy who never does overtime anyway...
And then there is the bullying and harassment you are setting your members up for.
And then,and i'm getting tired of saying this..there is the part-time members trying to put food on their table..
And who would police an overtime ban...would you be prepared to stand at the gate until dark o'clock to make sure nobody skipped out for a bit of sneaky O/T?

[dvbuk55]

Before imposing a work to rule - has anyone ever seen one imposed that DID work. We once had a stab at it - but right from the word go, people were doing overtime and in their cars.

[ronpetetrevchris]

How can a wtr not work? every office now is ran off over time, ca4rs on delivery, coming in early, give the memberd the option to fight in this way and it would be far more popular than strike action, IMO!

Worst case scenorio* only one third take part, still enough to fk myoffice and run this for a week and there is no way it can be cleared. The offices running P and L couldnt cope only last month, WITH OVERTIME, FFS.

It can't work because for the first month Royal Mail will throw managers and casuals at it and after a month of seeing their earning opportunities disappear into managers pockets your third of members would become a quarter...after another month there would be you,the rep and the guy who never does overtime anyway...
And then there is the bullying and harassment you are setting your members up for.
And then,and i'm getting tired of saying this..there is the part-time members trying to put food on their table..
And who would police an overtime ban...would you be prepared to stand at the gate until dark o'clock to make sure nobody skipped out for a bit of sneaky O/T?

OK, ackowledged, so itl work about as well as what you lot have on your mind then?! Just try something different will you! Because (aimned at PEC and union hierarchy) in caswe you havent noticed your getting your arse kicked.

[janitor]

They tried a work to rule in the mail center once, first week cost RM big time, they didn't need to go into the second week, it was all sorted, but it needs everyone to toe the line, something i don't think would happen now.

[fishtank]

OK, ackowledged, so itl work about as well as what you lot have on your mind then?! Just try something different will you! Because (aimned at PEC and union hierarchy) in caswe you havent noticed your getting your arse kicked.

I agree...ron or pete or trev or chris.

[daveyeff]

How can a wtr not work? every office now is ran off over time, ca4rs on delivery, coming in early, give the memberd the option to fight in this way and it would be far more popular than strike action, IMO!

Worst case scenorio* only one third take part, still enough to fk myoffice and run this for a week and there is no way it can be cleared. The offices running P and L couldnt cope only last month, WITH OVERTIME, FFS.

It can't work because for the first month Royal Mail will throw managers and casuals at it and after a month of seeing their earning opportunities disappear into managers pockets your third of members would become a quarter...after another month there would be you,the rep and the guy who never does overtime anyway...
And then there is the bullying and harassment you are setting your members up for.
And then,and i'm getting tired of saying this..there is the part-time members trying to put food on their table..
And who would police an overtime ban...would you be prepared to stand at the gate until dark o'clock to make sure nobody skipped out for a bit of sneaky O/T?

surely, a total overtime ban, if its endorsed by the union, then more people will stick to it. if you dont, then its the same as crossing a picket line, if this is made clear then it WILL be more successfull. as for part timers losing money, will they not be losing more if we were out 2 days a week. i cannot for the life of me see how it would not work. i cant remember it ever being attempted before.? and lets say we did try it. if its not having the desired effect after say,,,,a month. then theres nothing stopping us from changing our tactics and moving to day strikes. i know im all for it, and i havent seen any argument to change my mind. but thats just me.

[belle smith]

Maybe Postman can set up a poll?

It does have some redeaming features.
1 thing the union should consider is that it may be more likely that people would vote yes.

[gb93]

But we "Had RM by the balls" after the 2007 & 2009 strikes
Why change a clear winning tactic.
But then "defeat was snatched from victory" by the pie eaters.
So maybe a new tactic of rolling over may humbug RM and allow the pie eaters to snatch victory from defeat.
Yeah that will work

[dvbuk55]

But we "Had RM by the balls" after the 2007 & 2009 strikes
Why change a clear winning tactic.
But then "defeat was snatched from victory" by the pie eaters.
So maybe a new tactic of rolling over may humbug RM and allow the pie eaters to snatch victory from defeat.
Yeah that will work

I must admit I don't know what the answer is BUT whatever reasons are given to take action should be all inclusive.

[gb93]

But we "Had RM by the balls" after the 2007 & 2009 strikes
Why change a clear winning tactic.
But then "defeat was snatched from victory" by the pie eaters.
So maybe a new tactic of rolling over may humbug RM and allow the pie eaters to snatch victory from defeat.
Yeah that will work

I must admit I don't know what the answer is BUT whatever reasons are given to take action should be all inclusive.

Does my tone deaf hearing detect a different tune there

[daveyeff]

But we "Had RM by the balls" after the 2007 & 2009 strikes
Why change a clear winning tactic.
But then "defeat was snatched from victory" by the pie eaters.
So maybe a new tactic of rolling over may humbug RM and allow the pie eaters to snatch victory from defeat.
Yeah that will work

i agree totally, we had them. then, as you say the pie eaters chucked it away. however, can you see them getting another vote for ia after the last fiasco. maybe this way will coax people to partake,,,,,YET AGAIN.

[louielouie]

any news on todays meeting at euston nw1

[dvbuk55]

But we "Had RM by the balls" after the 2007 & 2009 strikes
Why change a clear winning tactic.
But then "defeat was snatched from victory" by the pie eaters.
So maybe a new tactic of rolling over may humbug RM and allow the pie eaters to snatch victory from defeat.
Yeah that will work

I must admit I don't know what the answer is BUT whatever reasons are given to take action should be all inclusive.

Does my tone deaf hearing detect a different tune there

The last thing I would want is to see the CWU destroyed. Reformed, reorganised, distanced from the employer,more grass root involvement most certainly. Nobody should be under any illusion that this is definitely a crossroads in union affairs and IMHO, IA is going to be a hard road to follow. I think that there is not a broad enough base for input into the decision making at CWU HQ and that the decisions taken are not necessarily with the membership in mind.