d2d

[BELIAL]

I think the projected break even threshold for D2D wrapping is 12 per week. At that point the prep saving offsets the cost of automation , ergo indoor hours slashed , but nothing added to walks and just imagine the possible bulk/weight of 12x D2D + real mail :vcfo

[bunkerland]

I met a Canadian postie on my travels recently,he said they can take up to 16 d2d,but they get paid for them after first 2/3,so he said. Be interesting to know for sure!

[POSTMAN]

Bring 'em on.

Sorry.

[BELIAL]

40 mins off prep time ,40 mins onto walk ; 1in 12 duties shed leave it out

[POSTMAN]

40 mins off prep time ,40 mins onto walk ; 1in 12 duties shed leave it out

I think we should give up.

[fishtank]

40 mins off prep time ,40 mins onto walk ; 1in 12 duties shed leave it out

40 mins BELIAL?

Number of Contracts.....Items per Minute....Method......................Total extra indoor time daily minutes
1...................................22...............Sort to Frame...........................4
2...................................11...............Sort to Frame...........................8
3.....................................8...............Collate & Sort to Frame..............10
4.....................................8...............Collate & Sort to Frame...............11
5.....................................7...............Collate & Sort to Frame...............12
6.....................................6...............Collate & Sort to Frame...............14

As you can see by the table the time given by IWT decreases exponentially set against the number of D2D received.
14 minutes at 6 means that to get 40 mins prep allocated you would need around 38 D2D.
Even on a 1000 call walk you would be looking at about 10-12.
The point is D2D into workload only helps if the times are realistic otherwise you are simply aligning more work against duties than is achievable,cutting jobs as a direct consequence ...and filling the pockets of the overtime grabbers.

I'm not against D2D into workload but it has to be properly resourced for the members to buy into it and at the moment it clearly isn't in most D.O.s.
Don't blame the haters....there is a reason they hate it.

[taurus88]

40 mins off prep time ,40 mins onto walk ; 1in 12 duties shed leave it out

40 mins BELIAL?

Number of Contracts.....Items per Minute....Method......................Total extra indoor time daily minutes
1...................................22...............Sort to Frame...........................4
2...................................11...............Sort to Frame...........................8
3.....................................8...............Collate & Sort to Frame..............10
4.....................................8...............Collate & Sort to Frame...............11
5.....................................7...............Collate & Sort to Frame...............12
6.....................................6...............Collate & Sort to Frame...............14

As you can see by the table the time given by IWT decreases exponentially set against the number of D2D received.
14 minutes at 6 means that to get 40 mins prep allocated you would need around 38 D2D.
Even on a 1000 call walk you would be looking at about 10-12.
The point is D2D into workload only helps if the times are realistic otherwise you are simply aligning more work against duties than is achievable,cutting jobs as a direct consequence ...and filling the pockets of the overtime grabbers.

I'm not against D2D into workload but it has to be properly resourced for the members to buy into it and at the moment it clearly isn't in most D.O.s.
Don't blame the haters....there is a reason they hate it.

Exactly, 14 minutes for 6 d2ds - aka 95 x 6 (570) on the walk I'm on at present - yeah, right! I reckon I get about 1000 mech letters on a normal day which we're given 1.5hrs prep for. So circa forty-five minutes for 6 d2ds.

[POSTMAN]

That is 14 mins on 1/6 of a '500' dp frame,how many will have 500 dp's after these revisions.
Ok the extra aint a lot but minutes + minutes makes hrs.

Oh and ftr if it takes me longer than their sham figures,so be it.

[fishtank]

Oh and ftr if it takes me longer than their sham figures,so be it.

That's the point though...if it takes you 5 or 10 minutes longer what happens to that time?
It isn't protecting any jobs any more because IWT and pegasus have already maxed out your working day.
All it will do is encourage members to come in early or work through their breaks...and you can call them idiots all you like but it doesn't solve anything.
The reality is the majority of people will follow the easiest path and then D2D into workload becomes part of the problem,not the solution.

[clashcityrocker]

That is 14 mins on 1/6 of a '500' dp frame,how many will have 500 dp's after these revisions.

That doesn't matter. It is per 500 delivery points - so if you've got 750 it is 14 minutes + 50% = 21 minutes. (Still unachievable mind)

[POSTMAN]

I understand of course,my point was at least it's something.
And as for this...

All it will do is encourage members to come in early or work through their breaks...and you can call them idiots all you like but it doesn't solve anything.

I'm losing the will.

[Spedley]

I found it funny after the agreement how many people thought that D2D would come in an 'exploding' envelope. Two people even voted yes thinking they would lose money on D2D because it would be classed as a single item.

What RM actually meant was that we will be doing seven D2D during the week and a an exploding pack of ten D2Ds to every address on a Saturday.

[fishtank]

I understand of course,my point was at least it's something.
And as for this...

All it will do is encourage members to come in early or work through their breaks...and you can call them idiots all you like but it doesn't solve anything.

I'm losing the will.

Why?....because people will naturally shy away from confrontation?
You can lose the will all you like but you won't change human nature,especially during a f**k off recession when jobs are like hens teeth...even s**t jobs.
Piling on more work encourages a lot of members to cut corners,start early and ignore breaks...that's a fact.
Not a nice fact or a strong "grow a pair" fact...but still a fact.

[BELIAL]

40 mins off prep time ,40 mins onto walk ; 1in 12 duties shed leave it out

40 mins BELIAL?

Number of Contracts.....Items per Minute....Method......................Total extra indoor time daily minutes
1...................................22...............Sort to Frame...........................4
2...................................11...............Sort to Frame...........................8
3.....................................8...............Collate & Sort to Frame..............10
4.....................................8...............Collate & Sort to Frame...............11
5.....................................7...............Collate & Sort to Frame...............12
6.....................................6...............Collate & Sort to Frame...............14

As you can see by the table the time given by IWT decreases exponentially set against the number of D2D received.
14 minutes at 6 means that to get 40 mins prep allocated you would need around 38 D2D.
Even on a 1000 call walk you would be looking at about 10-12.
The point is D2D into workload only helps if the times are realistic otherwise you are simply aligning more work against duties than is achievable,cutting jobs as a direct consequence ...and filling the pockets of the overtime grabbers.

I'm not against D2D into workload but it has to be properly resourced for the members to buy into it and at the moment it clearly isn't in most D.O.s.
Don't blame the haters....there is a reason they hate it.

Blaming no one Fish , and like you I'm not against D2D into w/l but taking a pay cut for the privilege was a big membership loser don't you agree.
We both know those figures are nonsense , just take a look at the collated items per minute.
But you sort of miss the point , I know RM will say you should prep 500 items per second when introducing extra D2D , but if they wrap them and they come looking for savings it will suddenly turn out that they were taking loads longer and automation will yet again cut millions of hours

[POSTMAN]

I understand of course,my point was at least it's something.
And as for this...

All it will do is encourage members to come in early or work through their breaks...and you can call them idiots all you like but it doesn't solve anything.

I'm losing the will.

Why?....because people will naturally shy away from confrontation?
You can lose the will all you like but you won't change human nature,especially during a f**k off recession when jobs are like hens teeth...even s**t jobs.
Piling on more work encourages a lot of members to cut corners,start early and ignore breaks...that's a fact.
Not a nice fact or a strong "grow a pair" fact...but still a fact.

So now we blame the recession? Come on Fish.