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why are we modernising?
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Straight4ward
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Re: why are we modernising?
Belial,I imagine the half-year revenue figures quoted by the FT journo are for Royal Mail Holdings which includes not just Royal Mail Letters but General Logistic Systems, Parcelforce Worldwide, Post Office Ltd and other businesses.
From the annual report dated 28th March 2010 as follows;
all figures £m
Revenue-------------------------------------------- Profit
Royal Mail Letters - 6,564 -------------------------------121
General Logistics Systems - 1,487 ----------------------112
Parcelforce Worldwide - 299 -----------------------------17
Post Office Ltd - 828 ---------------------------------------72
Other businesses 61-----------------------------------------82 (! No, I don't understand that either but then I'm not an accountant )
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Group total 9,349-------------------------------------------404
From the annual report dated 28th March 2010 as follows;
all figures £m
Revenue-------------------------------------------- Profit
Royal Mail Letters - 6,564 -------------------------------121
General Logistics Systems - 1,487 ----------------------112
Parcelforce Worldwide - 299 -----------------------------17
Post Office Ltd - 828 ---------------------------------------72
Other businesses 61-----------------------------------------82 (! No, I don't understand that either but then I'm not an accountant )
________________-------------------------------------_______
Group total 9,349-------------------------------------------404
"Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway."
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Tman
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Re: why are we modernising?
OK then, what part of "the daily traffic count through MCs isn't measured or recorded by a postie with a clip-board" don't you understand?POSTMAN wrote:Mail volumes have declined in some areas at least,what part of what they count and say is there to what is actually sent to DO's don't you understand?
WGAF what's sent to DOs and whether it's accurate? That's not how the bean-counters assess how much work RM is processing.
All been said before, many times, but still the same old "me bag's 'eavier"/ "we got two extra trays from the MC" reasoning is used.
A load more MCs for the chop, but still you don't see that volumes must have declined ? So how are the remaining MCs fitting in all that extra work?
"Ahh but me bag's 'eavier......"
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Tman
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Re: why are we modernising?
You've sussed me out T.TrueBlueTerrier wrote:What are you after this time Tman, Bass, trout, Herring, Kipper -your bait is getting a bit old though.
It was all a wind-up after all, but you must admit it was really good how I managed to get everyone in RM above uniform grade, plus TNT etc, plus various postal industry analysts, plus most foreign postal administrations to go along with the myth of falling mail volumes?
Maybe I should apply for Coulson's vacant position...
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clashcityrocker
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Re: why are we modernising?
Trolley. We have trolleys now we have modernised.Tman wrote:
"Ahh but me bag's 'eavier......"
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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dvbuk55
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Re: why are we modernising?
Well despite all the chatter MY bag is heavierclashcityrocker wrote:Trolley. We have trolleys now we have modernised.Tman wrote:
"Ahh but me bag's 'eavier......"
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POSTMAN
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Re: why are we modernising?
I agreed that they had declined at least in some places.Tman wrote:OK then, what part of "the daily traffic count through MCs isn't measured or recorded by a postie with a clip-board" don't you understand?POSTMAN wrote:Mail volumes have declined in some areas at least,what part of what they count and say is there to what is actually sent to DO's don't you understand?
WGAF what's sent to DOs and whether it's accurate? That's not how the bean-counters assess how much work RM is processing.
All been said before, many times, but still the same old "me bag's 'eavier"/ "we got two extra trays from the MC" reasoning is used.
A load more MCs for the chop, but still you don't see that volumes must have declined ? So how are the remaining MCs fitting in all that extra work?
"Ahh but me bag's 'eavier......"
Errr we do,being as our offices are staffed on the figures given.WGAF what's sent to DOs and whether it's accurate?
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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dvbuk55
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Re: why are we modernising?
Well modernisation has been going on for some considerable time, years in fact. If mail volumes are falling, and I don't really care one way or t'other, how come:
We are investing in machinery, which presumably will become redundant, because the increased volume of packets and flats won't be suitable for WSM
Vehicles are like candy, we have gone from about 15 to 44, PLUS hire vehicles in the last 10 years
Walks have increased in numbers, with trolleys to carry the mail - again redundant in time
We have increased staff numbers year on year
So who is convinced that mail volumes are falling when it is worth borrowing money to invest with income falling from decreased volumes????
We are investing in machinery, which presumably will become redundant, because the increased volume of packets and flats won't be suitable for WSM
Vehicles are like candy, we have gone from about 15 to 44, PLUS hire vehicles in the last 10 years
Walks have increased in numbers, with trolleys to carry the mail - again redundant in time
We have increased staff numbers year on year
So who is convinced that mail volumes are falling when it is worth borrowing money to invest with income falling from decreased volumes????
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taurus88
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Re: why are we modernising?
POSTMAN wrote:EDIT:The above is hard to read to me but you guys get my drift yes?
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POSTMAN
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Re: why are we modernising?
taurus88 wrote:POSTMAN wrote:EDIT:The above is hard to read to me but you guys get my drift yes?Biggest load of frakking gibberish I've ever seen, mate!
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Lincox
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Re: why are we modernising?
Letters are falling, mail is increasing. Only been working for RM for seven years, but I would say , the amount of advertising that is now being done through direct mailing whether it be addressed or D2D has risen by a higher percentage than the fall off of letters. Yes, the banks and many other institutions have decreased the amount of statements that are sent out each month, but in their place come shedloads of marketing, for loans, credit cards, you name it. Did flats fall off over Christmas as they have done in the past. Absolutely not, they have increased and continue to increase. Of course bags are heavier because we are now carrying more and heavier packets than we should, and there are a lot less of us doing it.
As said before, no company or government would invest 2 billion pounds on a market that is shrinking so fast that in ten years time will be virtually non existent going by the figures that are being brandished around to encourage support for privitisation. What company in it,s right mind will be able to recouperate their investment on a market that is thought to be good for ten years or slightly longer.
Come on Tman, there are many people who will not be hoodwinked into believing this nonsense given out by Royal mail and supported by a section of the CWU for what appears to most as self interest.
As said before, no company or government would invest 2 billion pounds on a market that is shrinking so fast that in ten years time will be virtually non existent going by the figures that are being brandished around to encourage support for privitisation. What company in it,s right mind will be able to recouperate their investment on a market that is thought to be good for ten years or slightly longer.
Come on Tman, there are many people who will not be hoodwinked into believing this nonsense given out by Royal mail and supported by a section of the CWU for what appears to most as self interest.
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Night Tonic
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Re: why are we modernising?
Whatever. Whether you blamne it on DSA or the tooth fairy, the reality is clear enough. Those that choose to rely on their fag packets or free gifts in Kelloggs of all their financial information, are in the right place. I'll leave you all to 'its a lie' and 'my bag is getting heavier' to map RML's future prosperity. Old Street really are missing out on the sharpest minds with this kind of piffle. 
Don't believe everything you're told in the rest room
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chrisj
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Re: why are we modernising?
nightonic, you are funny!
What exactly is the reality and what is the solution?
What exactly is the reality and what is the solution?
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bunkerland
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Re: why are we modernising?
Night Tonic wrote:Whatever. Whether you blamne it on DSA or the tooth fairy, the reality is clear enough. Those that choose to rely on their fag packets or free gifts in Kelloggs of all their financial information, are in the right place. I'll leave you all to 'its a lie' and 'my bag is getting heavier' to map RML's future prosperity. Old Street really are missing out on the sharpest minds with this kind of piffle.
I've not been a member long enough to have read all your posts NT,probably only about the last 500 or so,do you ever have anything positive to say,or are you just the merchant of doom?
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fishtank
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Re: why are we modernising?
It's easy not to give a damm when you're sitting back with nothing riding on the outcome.bunkerland wrote: I've not been a member long enough to have read all your posts NT,probably only about the last 500 or so,do you ever have anything positive to say,or are you just the merchant of doom?Can't help feeling you'd be absolutely delighted if the whole company did go tits up! What caused such bitterness?
Wife run off with a postie?
Or was the family pet killed by a 600?
NT is no longer in the loop and it shows...this is just a spectator sport for him now.
I think he already has his top 10 "I told you so" posts saved in his favourites folder.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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POSTMAN
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Re: why are we modernising?
Tbf,can't be any worse than the info you gave us!Those that choose to rely on their fag packets or free gifts in Kelloggs of all their financial information
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.