later saturdays

[DirtyHarry]

3.40pm finish yesterday.

On a Saturday?

There's absolutely no need for that.

[DirtyHarry]

Actually, I'm wrong.

You can beat having an early finish EVERY Saturday, NOT working ANY Saturday would be an excellent result.

not for the thousands that would have to be paid off it would'ent

Pity the CWU didn't think about that when selling delivery staff out. They have almost no support amongst delivery staff for longer/later Saturdays, and as a result of their negligence support amongst delivery staff for Mon-Fri working has never been higher.

I had no problem with working until an acceptable time on Saturday, but as that is no longer good enough, my vote will always go to whoever moves to bring in Mon-Fri working week.
I am not prepared to accept further declines in our terms & conditions, not anymore.

[Phantom]

Actually, I'm wrong.

You can beat having an early finish EVERY Saturday, NOT working ANY Saturday would be an excellent result.

not for the thousands that would have to be paid off it would'ent

Pity the CWU didn't think about that when selling delivery staff out. They have almost no support amongst delivery staff for longer/later Saturdays, and as a result of their negligence support amongst delivery staff for Mon-Fri working has never been higher.

I had no problem with working until an acceptable time on Saturday, but as that is no longer good enough, my vote will always go to whoever moves to bring in Mon-Fri working week.
I am not prepared to accept further declines in our terms & conditions, not anymore.

Absolutely spot on! The CWU and Royal Mail have f****d delivery staff in the ass for far too long - its cut off all the way from now on for me!

[Martin Walsh]

I have no problem having a debate about anything but sometimes it would seem that some posters do not understand the postal system they work in. Look everyone knew the issue of later saturdays was going to be a challenge and would not be popular. Does anyone really believe the CWU wanted to have later finishes on a saturday ? The last things which got resolved was the issue of later Saturdays. The CWU tried everything to change Royal Mail`s later Saturday demand.

But the fact is once Royal Mail were going to introduce walk sequencing and ILSMs and the one inward and one outward pass system then it was going to be impossible to stop. Why you may ask , well currently your intra , dsa and mailsort and neighbour mail can be seqeuenced from midnight , the problem is that your distant mail does not clear your inward mail centre till 4.40 in the morning, currently if you do not have walk sequencing that comes into your delivery office to be IPS . However once you have sequencing that will go to your MPU and depending where your delivery office are in the batch plan system then you wont get that second batch of mail till as late as 0900 or 10 in the morning . You still have to sort it , do your redirections etc, tie up and then go and deliver it.

Now the CWU asked for the machines to stop on Friday night and Saturday morning so a delivery office would have that mail earlier or even to only be walk sorted rather than sequenced. Royal Mail stated that they were not going to use the Government loan to buy machines but not run them on a Saturday. Moreover if your revision is based on what seqeuencing you recieve Monday - friday then how would you cope on a Saturday if suddenly you had to have more IPS and prep work as it was not being sequenced.

So the union did argue and did try and find a alternative way to keep early Saturdays but seqeucning and the fact that you have mail for say London which comes from Scotland and the South West which does not clear their own mail centres until 11 at night and then gets transported to the your own mail centre to be inward sorted and clears your own mail centre as late as 4.40 in the morning and then will be sequenced rather than be IPS means I am afaid later Saturdays for some. Thats why the CWU got the 1 in 4 Saturdays off and the menu of options. Some good news is that the orignal trial sites like Gatwick are now sequencing up to 80% of mail on the first wave which means offices are getting more of their work earlier and this means that offices should be able to finish earlier. Not all offices have yet introduced the inward pass as it can only do this oncea whole postcode has introduced sequencing.

So its easy to shout your anger and disgust but tell us the solution and what you think the union should have done ?

[PhilthyPhil]

I wish our MC was able to clear by 0440. They don't even have their last arrivals until this time which means the second wave arrives at our DO around 0730-0745. It is supposed to arrive by 0700 but this is hardly ever the case. Our cut off time for IPS is 0800 weekdays and 0730 on saturday which means second wave is often not touched at all on saturday. God knows what will happen when we get sequenced mail in at the end of the year

[BELIAL]

Some good news is that the orignal trial sites like Gatwick are now sequencing up to 80% of mail on the first wave which means offices are getting more of their work earlier and this means that offices should be able to finish earlier.

I think you better check your sources, cos that is certainly not a universal truth. Somebody is telling you porkies

[AnnexeB]

[quoteSome good news is that the orignal trial sites like Gatwick are now sequencing up to 80% of mail on the first wave which means offices are getting more of their work earlier and this means that offices should be able to finish earlier.

][/quote]



I work the machines, and we have never had anywhere near 80% on first wave. 2 times a week we probably get 40-50% on first wave ..... then, cos we dont have time for the second wave, that ends up being walk sorted.

[Martin Walsh]

Cheers for that info . Royal Mail are saying that Gatwick was doing prior to December over 70% on the first wave and peaked at 80%. The plan as you will know is 60 /40 .

[DirtyHarry]

"So its easy to shout your anger and disgust but tell us the solution and what you think the union should have done ?"

When Royal Mail presented a workplan, without any consultation with the union, which was the opposite of progress, and indeed was one of the most backward of steps, a workplan which did not for one tiny moment, take into account the fact that all postal workers have a life outside the abject misery which is now the embodiment of Royal Mail, a life that begins at 13.00pm on Saturday, and comes to an end at 06.00am Monday, a life spent watching your favourite football team, taking the kids to the cinema, anything but delivering shyte as your quality of life takes another battering from the RM/CWU management team.

Royal Mail should have been told in no uncertain terms where to stick their workplan from the olden days.
Our working lives become ever more miserable, depressing, with almost nothing to look forward to apart from days/weeks off.

I have reached the stage where I do not want to "protect" what I have. All I have is a very shyte job, getting shyter with every deal reached after a dispute.

2010 & Beyond knocked the stuffing out of me, nothing gained, a lot lost.

It will be a long time before I go on strike again, and when I do, it WON'T be to "protect" what I've been lumbered with, it will be to destroy it.

[guvenor]

I have no problem having a debate about anything but sometimes it would seem that some posters do not understand the postal system they work in. Look everyone knew the issue of later saturdays was going to be a challenge and would not be popular. Does anyone really believe the CWU wanted to have later finishes on a saturday ? The last things which got resolved was the issue of later Saturdays. The CWU tried everything to change Royal Mail`s later Saturday demand.

But the fact is once Royal Mail were going to introduce walk sequencing and ILSMs and the one inward and one outward pass system then it was going to be impossible to stop. Why you may ask , well currently your intra , dsa and mailsort and neighbour mail can be seqeuenced from midnight , the problem is that your distant mail does not clear your inward mail centre till 4.40 in the morning, currently if you do not have walk sequencing that comes into your delivery office to be IPS . However once you have sequencing that will go to your MPU and depending where your delivery office are in the batch plan system then you wont get that second batch of mail till as late as 0900 or 10 in the morning . You still have to sort it , do your redirections etc, tie up and then go and deliver it.

Now the CWU asked for the machines to stop on Friday night and Saturday morning so a delivery office would have that mail earlier or even to only be walk sorted rather than sequenced. Royal Mail stated that they were not going to use the Government loan to buy machines but not run them on a Saturday. Moreover if your revision is based on what seqeuencing you recieve Monday - friday then how would you cope on a Saturday if suddenly you had to have more IPS and prep work as it was not being sequenced.

So the union did argue and did try and find a alternative way to keep early Saturdays but seqeucning and the fact that you have mail for say London which comes from Scotland and the South West which does not clear their own mail centres until 11 at night and then gets transported to the your own mail centre to be inward sorted and clears your own mail centre as late as 4.40 in the morning and then will be sequenced rather than be IPS means I am afaid later Saturdays for some. Thats why the CWU got the 1 in 4 Saturdays off and the menu of options. Some good news is that the orignal trial sites like Gatwick are now sequencing up to 80% of mail on the first wave which means offices are getting more of their work earlier and this means that offices should be able to finish earlier. Not all offices have yet introduced the inward pass as it can only do this oncea whole postcode has introduced sequencing.

So its easy to shout your anger and disgust but tell us the solution and what you think the union should have done ?

as previously stated we do not get 1 in 4 sats off been told were 1 in 6 and no options where do we go from here

[youwot!!!!!]

Your start time is depenndant on the arrival of your (second wave) mail from the MC (or wherever)
The time your mail arrives is dependant on where your office is in the Great Plan.
It isn't open to local agreement.

we,re about 10mins away from the mail centre. hopefully that will go in our favour, but knowing rm, they will probably send it out to the outlying offices first.

No, the closer you are to the MC then the later you get your mail.

why?

it doesn't work that way.in carlisle wave 1 (dg offices) leaves at 0430 and wave 2 (ca offices) leaves at 0500 so the delivery office closest to the mail centre will get their mail 1st.simples.wave 3 (dg again) leaves at 0530( but is usually late) and wave 4 (ca again) leaves at 0600.

Not what we've been told (by the planner) we'll get ours last because we're that close to the MC, maybe if the MC staff actually did some work instead of spending their entire lives on breaks then we might get our mail in reasonable time.

yet another well thought out arguement dgp.your ignorance is amazing.if that was said about delivery staff you would spit your dummy out again and go on another rant.

[fishtank]

It's how it works in our area youwot.
Furthest away offices get the WS first and closest to the M/C get theirs last.
As far as i'm aware that's how the sequenced plan is supposed to work.
Maybe your place is just.....different.

[martinapsid]

our mc gets first lorry to us at 5.45-600 mon-fri 4 55 on a saturday second lorry some time betwwen 7.00-8,00 mon-sat because of our distance from mc @60 miles we are supposed to have first lorry and 75%-25% between first and second never happens some day pkts come first with flats and some mech and the rest of mech comes second lorry and the best part we down waiting for the second lorry up to 45 minutes last week we had no d2d wednesday and the week before there turned up on thursday

[POSTMAN]

Your start time is depenndant on the arrival of your (second wave) mail from the MC (or wherever)
The time your mail arrives is dependant on where your office is in the Great Plan.
It isn't open to local agreement.

we,re about 10mins away from the mail centre. hopefully that will go in our favour, but knowing rm, they will probably send it out to the outlying offices first.

No, the closer you are to the MC then the later you get your mail.

why?

it doesn't work that way.in carlisle wave 1 (dg offices) leaves at 0430 and wave 2 (ca offices) leaves at 0500 so the delivery office closest to the mail centre will get their mail 1st.simples.wave 3 (dg again) leaves at 0530( but is usually late) and wave 4 (ca again) leaves at 0600.

Not what we've been told (by the planner) we'll get ours last because we're that close to the MC, maybe if the MC staff actually did some work instead of spending their entire lives on breaks then we might get our mail in reasonable time.

yet another well thought out arguement dgp.your ignorance is amazing.if that was said about delivery staff you would spit your dummy out again and go on another rant.

Youwot he's joking mate,are you not aware of the MC breaks gag.

[daveyeff]

head rep was at our office today, and said 100% of ALL D.O.s will be 3pm finish on a saturday when its all in and done and dusted. no exceptions. its all coming out now aint it