Greene hits out at Royal Mail criticism

[TrueBlueTerrier]

No what you are going to do is pay someone to put your case for you because you are incapable of producing a coherent costed plan............and after all those years of selfless giving..............................shame.

Can we call a truce and get back to constructive criticism and debate please.

[fishtank]

You just don't get this at all dingo do you.
I'm not criticizing the London Divisional Reps for doing what they are doing.
They must use every resource at their disposal to protect as many of their members as they can...if they don't then they have no right being in the position that they are.
The question is obvious though...would these resources and have these resources been made available in other areas?

Now thats why there is a fresh appoach needed as the plan for London is vastly different from any other mail centre closure either previously in London and we have seen 7 mailcentre closures since 1995 or anyother mail centre closure in the UK.

No..it's not vastly different...of course it is to you but that is only because you are in the middle of it but it is not to the members who have been displaced around the country.
If anything members in the North East were under greater pressure to accept ridiculous travelling times to these new locations due to the high local unemployment rates....it may not be compulsory but it's not a million miles away when you have no real alternative.

Now Royal Mail have given umpteen assurances that their will be no compulsory redundances....i know that because you often quoted it before the agreement was ratified so are you sure that's what you mean or do you really mean your members will not accept ridiculous travelling times to new locations?...that's fair enough i can understand their frustration and their position...but compulsory redundancies....why that would result in industrial action dingo and that would bring this whole "deal of the century" crashing down around our ears and neither Royal Mail nor the CWU can afford for that to happen.

[dvbuk55]

No what you are going to do is pay someone to put your case for you because you are incapable of producing a coherent costed plan............and after all those years of selfless giving..............................shame.

Can we call a truce and get back to constructive criticism and debate please.

Fair enough! I just get sick of hearing how London is a special case, time after time after time....................

[Wessex]

Slightly changing the tack ,back to DSA , Dingo mentions that DW and the Union campaigned against DSA ,well they must have done it very quietly because up until recently I cant recall DW raising this issue, until Moya Greene did.I only say this because the DSA issue has always upset me but I dont remember any campaign against it.I am happy to be corrected.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Slightly changing the tack ,back to DSA , Dingo mentions that DW and the Union campaigned against DSA ,well they must have done it very quietly because up until recently I cant recall DW raising this issue, until Moya Greene did.I only say this because the DSA issue has always upset me but I dont remember any campaign against it.I am happy to be corrected.

After a little research I have found some instance of action by the CWU.

1. They replied to a Postcon Consultation in April 2008 "On downstream access, the CWU said that volumes had grown faster than forecast leaving Royal Mail struggling financially and calling for a reduction in the scope of the USO and an increase in stamp prices"

2. In Dec 07 it was reported in the Independent "Bill Hayes, the general secretary of the CWU, said: "This is a crucial review... High on our list of issues are the effect of downstream access, the universal service obligation which currently disproportionately burdens Royal Mail, and the role of Postcomm which has proved disappointing"

3. According to the socialist worker the CWU said in August 2007 The CWU said that £43 million of the fall in the company’s profits were the “direct result of downstream access”.

Sorry nothing beyond that - lots of talking and briefings though

[Wessex]

Thanks TBT.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Thanks TBT.

No problems but I was being a tad sarcastic rather than informative

[Wessex]

lol

[BELIAL]

Makes you wonder how the powers that be managed to resist such a massive campaigning onslaught

[Night Tonic]

You get what you pay for, or deserve. Never seen so many bridges burnt by so many who think they know better.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

. Never seen so many bridges burnt by so many who think they know better.

Strange you come across as dismissive of the Union but now your castigating those who have left, mind you your consistent as you also slag of RMC and its members as well yet you still keep coming back.

Bit like me with NightmareMail. Again

[Night Tonic]

On the contrary, very supportive of the CWU and Unions in general but too many here dismissive of Dingo and others that try to put over a reasoned argument. As I said, burning bridges and perhaps why there may be many visitors, but few posting. RMC seems to have gradually cut itself off from the world and that isn't a place most posties want to be, especially in their free time. I'm not even sure what its purpose is now unless its just to cast gloom and misery. You tell me son. If I'm your nightmare, you do have worries.

[POSTMAN]

On the contrary, very supportive of the CWU and Unions in general but too many here dismissive of Dingo and others that try to put over a reasoned argument. As I said, burning bridges and perhaps why there may be many visitors, but few posting. RMC seems to have gradually cut itself off from the world and that isn't a place most posties want to be, especially in their free time. I'm not even sure what its purpose is now unless its just to cast gloom and misery. You tell me son. If I'm your nightmare, you do have worries.

So many flaws,so much bollox,so little time,godda go,sorry.
Been offline for a couple of days,loads of posts to catch up on.

[fishtank]

I'm not even sure what its purpose is now unless its just to cast gloom and misery.

If I had a mortgage to pay, and I don't now, I would not be counting on steady employment at RM or the agreement not changing thats for sure. Word has it that the agreement will be short lived too, and I don't mean it will get replaced with a better one.

We're doomed....doomed i tell you.

[Lincox]

I appreciate what you are saying and have no doubt that Dingo puts in a great deal of work on behalf of his members and the cwu itself. However his problem is that he fails to accept that there is another side of the coin and that the many stories of failing revisions cannot be isolated problems and that the union heirarchy have ignored these problems and are putting the majority of their energies and finances into fighting off privitisation. This may or may not be a noble thing to do, but at the moment they need to get their prioritiessorted or they will have very few members to fight for.