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Ka/DG Revision Progress
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Ka/DG Revision Progress
Report to Divisional Reps on Batch Revision process DG/KA
At a recent meeting of CWU Unit reps in KA/DG we received reports from Units where batch revisions have been deployed under the agreed revision process. While some aspects have gone according to plan reports included some alarming details over the provision of delivery methods which are not fit for purpose, namely,
1. The provision of smaller HCT's which cannot carry sufficient mail for the duty span. We are advised that the larger HCT's are not available. This has resulted in duty spans taking longer then planned for and that replenishment duties have had to be put in. Duty holders are reporting that although this is barely manageable with existing traffic levels, this will not be the case during Xmas pressure. Reps are reporting that duty spans of between 4hrs and 4.30 will mean that staff will be reluctant or unable to extend during the pressure weeks.
2. The car derived vans provided have insufficient cargo space to deal with loops designed for longer delivery spans. The Vauxhall Combo vans are more suitable.
3. The golf trolley is proving to be highly unstable when loaded with sufficient mail for the designed loop size. This is caused by loaded mail slipping to one end, this prevents the trolley from being parked while delivering.
It is understood that these issues will be addressed during the 6 week Post Implementation Review, however these issues are, of course, becoming common knowledge within units in line for deployment, causing some resistance to change in units yet to deploy.
By far the biggest issue raised is the proposal to deploy units in week 35, 3 weeks before the Xmas pressure period. This will mean that the Post Implementation Review will run through the entire Xmas pressure period when grossly inflated traffic numbers, in variance with the low traffic figures on which the revision is planned under the reference week, will not allow for any meaningful review of the revision as allowed for under the National Agreement. Reps are not confident that issues identified in the PIR will be addressed under Xmas pressure conditions.
Local reps are extremely concerned that this will jeopardise the successful deployment of the revisions, will put mails integrity at risk and will result in mail failures on a daily basis over the Xmas period. As previously stated, most units have agreed an increase in delivery spans to 4.30 hrs in order to maximise Full Time working. Members are advising reps of a reluctance to extend over this timespan. This will be a source of conflict in many units.
Although these issues have been raised with local management there seems to be a reluctance to take heed due to pressure being exerted from Director level and above. Being amongst the first units to deploy in the spirit of the National Agreement I am extremely concerned that this goes against the spirit of joint revision planning as described by the national agreement and is putting undue pressure on local unit reps from management and members.
I would be grateful for your advice and support in persuading RM to delay any further deployments until 2011, to allow us to rectify these issues locally. This would assist further deployment in the bigger units of Kilmarnock, and Ayr.
Tam Dewar
CWU Area Delivery Rep DG/KA
5.11.10
At a recent meeting of CWU Unit reps in KA/DG we received reports from Units where batch revisions have been deployed under the agreed revision process. While some aspects have gone according to plan reports included some alarming details over the provision of delivery methods which are not fit for purpose, namely,
1. The provision of smaller HCT's which cannot carry sufficient mail for the duty span. We are advised that the larger HCT's are not available. This has resulted in duty spans taking longer then planned for and that replenishment duties have had to be put in. Duty holders are reporting that although this is barely manageable with existing traffic levels, this will not be the case during Xmas pressure. Reps are reporting that duty spans of between 4hrs and 4.30 will mean that staff will be reluctant or unable to extend during the pressure weeks.
2. The car derived vans provided have insufficient cargo space to deal with loops designed for longer delivery spans. The Vauxhall Combo vans are more suitable.
3. The golf trolley is proving to be highly unstable when loaded with sufficient mail for the designed loop size. This is caused by loaded mail slipping to one end, this prevents the trolley from being parked while delivering.
It is understood that these issues will be addressed during the 6 week Post Implementation Review, however these issues are, of course, becoming common knowledge within units in line for deployment, causing some resistance to change in units yet to deploy.
By far the biggest issue raised is the proposal to deploy units in week 35, 3 weeks before the Xmas pressure period. This will mean that the Post Implementation Review will run through the entire Xmas pressure period when grossly inflated traffic numbers, in variance with the low traffic figures on which the revision is planned under the reference week, will not allow for any meaningful review of the revision as allowed for under the National Agreement. Reps are not confident that issues identified in the PIR will be addressed under Xmas pressure conditions.
Local reps are extremely concerned that this will jeopardise the successful deployment of the revisions, will put mails integrity at risk and will result in mail failures on a daily basis over the Xmas period. As previously stated, most units have agreed an increase in delivery spans to 4.30 hrs in order to maximise Full Time working. Members are advising reps of a reluctance to extend over this timespan. This will be a source of conflict in many units.
Although these issues have been raised with local management there seems to be a reluctance to take heed due to pressure being exerted from Director level and above. Being amongst the first units to deploy in the spirit of the National Agreement I am extremely concerned that this goes against the spirit of joint revision planning as described by the national agreement and is putting undue pressure on local unit reps from management and members.
I would be grateful for your advice and support in persuading RM to delay any further deployments until 2011, to allow us to rectify these issues locally. This would assist further deployment in the bigger units of Kilmarnock, and Ayr.
Tam Dewar
CWU Area Delivery Rep DG/KA
5.11.10
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POSTMAN
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
Tam's on the ball. 
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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belle smith
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
Aye well done Tam.POSTMAN wrote:Tam's on the ball.
wonder what will come of it though.
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
They can f***ing ram it right up their arse, heard to-day the option we opted for has been slightly changed with more part-time duties being put in, if this is the case then they can forget it 
THOSE RESPONSIBLE SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
Who knows ,but his chances of a positive outcome are 100% better than they would have been if he'd sat on his arse and cried into his pintbelle smith wrote:Aye well done Tam.POSTMAN wrote:Tam's on the ball.
wonder what will come of it though.
Bye
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
It is understood that these issues will be addressed during the 6 week Post Implementation Review, however these issues are, of course, becoming common knowledge within units in line for deployment, causing some resistance to change in units yet to deploy
Eighteen month later and still no review. Don't believe a word the LYING BAST@RDS tell you.

Eighteen month later and still no review. Don't believe a word the LYING BAST@RDS tell you.
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
ka mgmt bullies have got no chance of revisions going through were sticking to 3 1/2 duty spans f**k their promises of full time work.we will take our chance on that cos there,s not enough hrs in ka offices now. we dont care about p/t they were the majority of 12 who worked through strikes we dont forget and cdvs duty spans meals toilets will need to be planned into EVERY duty before implementation.rm ex action bring it on break national agreement at your peril .oh. and by the way ayrshire mngmt emailed to work in dundee tomorrow if they wish as i suspect the whole of scotland was.
tamsky we back you dont let us down when crunch comes
tamsky we back you dont let us down when crunch comes
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
Just another scare story Dingo? 
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
We're still waiting on our review from SDDjockstrapp wrote:It is understood that these issues will be addressed during the 6 week Post Implementation Review, however these issues are, of course, becoming common knowledge within units in line for deployment, causing some resistance to change in units yet to deploy
Eighteen month later and still no review. Don't believe a word the LYING BAST@RDS tell you.![]()
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I'm preparing myself for the zombie invasion, rule number 1 - Cardio
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
Yes, it is one of those words that RM management use that the union fall for every time, like so many others such as, inclusion, new, understanding, penniless,DGP1 wrote:We're still waiting on our review from SDDjockstrapp wrote:It is understood that these issues will be addressed during the 6 week Post Implementation Review, however these issues are, of course, becoming common knowledge within units in line for deployment, causing some resistance to change in units yet to deploy
Eighteen month later and still no review. Don't believe a word the LYING BAST@RDS tell you.![]()
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cooperation - there are so many.....................deal of the century.................no sorry that came direct.
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
Interestingly,our P&M 12 week review did not happen despite my protests to the rep because the rep's duty was ok and he didn't give a f**k about the other duties. 
I done the original revision with him and told him what needed to be sorted.
In the end i gave up,it's no good just me shouting about it and others keeping quiet.Well quiet unless they were whining to me about it but not wanting to move it forward themselves.
I done the original revision with him and told him what needed to be sorted.
In the end i gave up,it's no good just me shouting about it and others keeping quiet.Well quiet unless they were whining to me about it but not wanting to move it forward themselves.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
Office meeting today...3 questions asked...all by me...f***ing idiots. 
Vote tommorow.
Vote tommorow.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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dvbuk55
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
You are going to get banned from meetings ...........asking questions....tut tut....that got me excluded from WTLs.............even my colleagues told me to shut up so they could get out on delivery.............they are a complacent bunch though in the main...............just wonder how many worked overtime today to make the revision seem to workfishtank wrote:Office meeting today...3 questions asked...all by me...f***ing idiots.
Vote tommorow.
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belle smith
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
I don't think we have ever had any problems fixed at a PIR.POSTMAN wrote:Interestingly,our P&M 12 week review did not happen despite my protests to the rep because the rep's duty was ok and he didn't give a f**k about the other duties.
I done the original revision with him and told him what needed to be sorted.
In the end i gave up,it's no good just me shouting about it and others keeping quiet.Well quiet unless they were whining to me about it but not wanting to move it forward themselves.
Aparently it will be diffrent this time.
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Tamsky
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Re: Ka/DG Revision Progress
Been told today no revisions introduced before Xmas period - Is it due to report to Divisional reps - Doubt it.
Is it due to mess in Dundee East and the existing revisions that are not working in KA = Most likely.
Rumour has it that Area Delivery Rep told DSM today if existing revisions not fixed during and before end of 6 week Post Implementation Review to duty holders satisfaction he is going back to his duty and taking no further part in future revisions which are destined to fail.
Existing revisions are only working with excessive overtime to complete outdoor - loop spans too big - duties not doable in the timespan.
After the horse has bolted RM only now believe the CWU may have a point in the planner spending meaningful time speaking to the duty holder to ensure delivery points properly sequenced, and frame plan correct, loops achievable and delivery span doable with the golf trolley which slows the speed. RM confusion over arse n elbow only too evident to date.
Real and present danger that the Unions credibility is at stake if revisions are forced in under any other conditions.
Is it due to mess in Dundee East and the existing revisions that are not working in KA = Most likely.
Rumour has it that Area Delivery Rep told DSM today if existing revisions not fixed during and before end of 6 week Post Implementation Review to duty holders satisfaction he is going back to his duty and taking no further part in future revisions which are destined to fail.
Existing revisions are only working with excessive overtime to complete outdoor - loop spans too big - duties not doable in the timespan.
After the horse has bolted RM only now believe the CWU may have a point in the planner spending meaningful time speaking to the duty holder to ensure delivery points properly sequenced, and frame plan correct, loops achievable and delivery span doable with the golf trolley which slows the speed. RM confusion over arse n elbow only too evident to date.
Real and present danger that the Unions credibility is at stake if revisions are forced in under any other conditions.