Enviromental officer

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Whilst delivering half a rain forest disguised as d/d's, and choking on the fumes of all the vans getting ready to leave in the mornings,I cannot take this role seriously. It's a talk shop, nothing more.And the Union has better things they could be spending our money on.

Although I understand and accept the first part of your argument, I disagree with the rest. Only by questioning RMs Policies and positions, and highlighting their inconsistencies and flaws can we have a chance of changing them.

[Straight4ward]

Whilst delivering half a rain forest disguised as d/d's,

Although I understand and accept the first part of your argument,

Just on a point of order, the trees in rainforests are hardwoods and are unsuitable for the manufacture of paper. (Sorry to be an arse, LOL.)

[fishtank]

Just on a point of order, the trees in rainforests are hardwoods and are unsuitable for the manufacture of paper. (Sorry to be an arse, LOL.)

Just on another point of order it is common for natural hardwood forests to be destroyed to make room for softwood plantations used in the manufacturing of paper...they call them pulp farms. (Sorry to be an even bigger arse LOL)

[stokes11eg]

Whilst delivering half a rain forest disguised as d/d's, and choking on the fumes of all the vans getting ready to leave in the mornings,I cannot take this role seriously. It's a talk shop, nothing more.And the Union has better things they could be spending our money on.

Although I understand and accept the first part of your argument, I disagree with the rest. Only by questioning RMs Policies and positions, and highlighting their inconsistencies and flaws can we have a chance of changing them.

Have the Union ever managed to change R/M's point of view on anything?!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Strikes - they have always moved their position when we have walked - ok may be not as far as we wanted, but we have always influenced the outcome.

[stokes11eg]

Just on a point of order, the trees in rainforests are hardwoods and are unsuitable for the manufacture of paper. (Sorry to be an arse, LOL.)

Just on another point of order it is common for natural hardwood forests to be destroyed to make room for softwood plantations used in the manufacturing of paper...they call them pulp farms. (Sorry to be an even bigger arse LOL)

=O'K I get your point! But, the planet is doomed anyway--all this environmental stuff is too little too late----.wonder how much damage has been done to the planet by nearly a century of warfare? The point I was trying to make is that most people only pay lip service to these issues--preaching but not practicing--you know the kind of (thing, telling others not to use cars, but using their own, and flying abeoad)

[fishtank]

You can't be a Capitalist Environmentalist....just like you can't be a Humanitarian Cannibal.
It is far more dangerous to the planet to "think" that you are saving it with all of this middle class wringing of hands and "carbon neutral" bollox and tripping off down to your local recycling centre just to see it all shipped away and dumped on a beach in India or Africa for the local kids to rummage through.
To save this planet...not for us mind you because we don't feckin deserve it,but for the millions of species that haven't managed to feck it up would need such a fundamental change in the human psyche it would probably take a visitation from God him/herself to bring it about.
The only realistic possibility would be a massive jolt like the deaths of a couple of million people...but let's be completely honest here....unless they were white middle-cllass Americans would even that make a difference.
Maybe if all of us die first it may give the dolphins a chance........

[TeeferTiger]

You can't be a Capitalist Environmentalist....just like you can't be a Humanitarian Cannibal.
It is far more dangerous to the planet to "think" that you are saving it with all of this middle class wringing of hands and "carbon neutral" bollox and tripping off down to your local recycling centre just to see it all shipped away and dumped on a beach in India or Africa for the local kids to rummage through.
To save this planet...not for us mind you because we don't feckin deserve it,but for the millions of species that haven't managed to feck it up would need such a fundamental change in the human psyche it would probably take a visitation from God him/herself to bring it about.
The only realistic possibility would be a massive jolt like the deaths of a couple of million people...but let's be completely honest here....unless they were white middle-cllass Americans would even that make a difference.
Maybe if all of us die first it may give the dolphins a chance........

So long and thanks for all the fish?

I do feel very angry about human arrogance and how we feel we have more of a right to this planet than any other species on it. I'm not exactly a buddhist (I love a shower and don't feel the need to apologise for killing fleas/bacteria) but I do feel there's a complete lack of respect for wildlife and other animals who have been in sharp decline since "we" decided we wanted more land for us.

"And crawling, on the planet's face, some insects, called the human race. Lost in time, and lost in space... and meaning"

[fishtank]

So long and thanks for all the fish?

I do feel very angry about human arrogance and how we feel we have more of a right to this planet than any other species on it.

. . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in..an interesting hole I find myself in...fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for....Douglas Adams.

[stokes11eg]

You can't be a Capitalist Environmentalist....just like you can't be a Humanitarian Cannibal.
It is far more dangerous to the planet to "think" that you are saving it with all of this middle class wringing of hands and "carbon neutral" bollox and tripping off down to your local recycling centre just to see it all shipped away and dumped on a beach in India or Africa for the local kids to rummage through.
To save this planet...not for us mind you because we don't feckin deserve it,but for the millions of species that haven't managed to feck it up would need such a fundamental change in the human psyche it would probably take a visitation from God him/herself to bring it about.
The only realistic possibility would be a massive jolt like the deaths of a couple of million people...but let's be completely honest here....unless they were white middle-cllass Americans would even that make a difference.
Maybe if all of us die first it may give the dolphins a chance........

Very sad but true--the only chance this planet has is to see the human race die out---talking won't save it! If all the programmes I have watched, or all the books I have read on this subject are true, we have roughly another 16 years before the planet, no matter what we do now, will be past the point of no return, but, that realistic jolt you talk about , wether from God or nature, might just happen! it has many times in the past, so maybe, just maybe!

[stokes11eg]

Strikes - they have always moved their position when we have walked - ok may be not as far as we wanted, but we have always influenced the outcome.

Maybe, but thanks to the same Union, we are not able to strike now, fo r at least three years!!!!

[bedfordrl]

So long and thanks for all the fish?

I do feel very angry about human arrogance and how we feel we have more of a right to this planet than any other species on it.

. . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in..an interesting hole I find myself in...fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for....Douglas Adams.

You lot are from the Viz and I claim my five pounds.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Here you go - print that off - on recycled paper though of course

[bedfordrl]

Oooh ta .

[fishtank]

You lot are from the Viz and I claim my five pounds.