Watford - Posties Should Speak English!

theflyingpostman · Post by **theflyingpostman** » 27 Jul 2007, 22:24

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/search ... nglish.php

Is this how they're dealing with the cut offs then

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 27 Jul 2007, 22:28

I know how they feel. Most of the young people around here are incapable of writing anything which isn't in text or of speaking in anything more than Neaderthal grunts. Bloody chavs!

kinmad4it · Post by **kinmad4it** » 28 Jul 2007, 09:47

Yet again. The replies on there from the general public show they haven't a clue why we're on strike.

Post by **Carnoustie** » 28 Jul 2007, 09:57

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:I know how they feel. Most of the young people around here are incapable of writing anything which isn't in text or of speaking in anything more than Neaderthal grunts. Bloody chavs!

I don't think you should be ridiculing any section of the community on the grounds of their intellectual incapacity. They may be chavs but they are still people and have a right to common decency, dignity and respect. Before you know it, this sort of comment leads to whole sections of communities being ostracised, then politicians ride in and start whipping up hatred against those communities, and before you know it, you have death-camps and mass gonocide.

An over-reaction ? Read some of your posts in response to 'strangler'

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 28 Jul 2007, 10:03

Carnoustie wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:I know how they feel. Most of the young people around here are incapable of writing anything which isn't in text or of speaking in anything more than Neaderthal grunts. Bloody chavs!
I don't think you should be ridiculing any section of the community on the grounds of their intellectual incapacity. They may be chavs but they are still people and have a right to common decency, dignity and respect. Before you know it, this sort of comment leads to whole sections of communities being ostracised, then politicians ride in and start whipping up hatred against those communities, and before you know it, you have death-camps and mass gonocide.

An over-reaction ? Read some of your posts in response to 'strangler'

It's got nothing to do with their intellectual capabilities and everything to do with them putting on what they think is a rebellious attitude.

Post by **Carnoustie** » 28 Jul 2007, 10:14

No, you said they were INCAPABLE, not that they were unwilling.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 28 Jul 2007, 10:17

Carnoustie wrote:No, you said they were INCAPABLE, not that they were unwilling.

If they are capable, they don't show much sign of it. Not everyone is going to be Oscar Wilde, but why don't they make an effort to converse?

ianpostie · Post by **ianpostie** » 28 Jul 2007, 10:22

a driver who brings our mail from watford told us that on the delivery side they are all on the vans ,this is causing chaos in the office.after all the s*it thats being going on there due to the mail centre manager thinking hes god well done lads and lasses

Post by **Carnoustie** » 28 Jul 2007, 10:24

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
Carnoustie wrote:No, you said they were INCAPABLE, not that they were unwilling.
If they are capable, they don't show much sign of it. Not everyone is going to be Oscar Wilde, but why don't they make an effort to converse?

Now if anyone had posted a message on here asking why members of certain communities don't make more of an effort to speak English (after all, they are living in England), you'd immediately pounce on that poster and brand them a card-carrying member of the BNP ! All of the above proves that these kind of issues are not, ahem, as black-and-white as you think

strangler · Post by **strangler** » 28 Jul 2007, 10:32

Carnoustie wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
Carnoustie wrote:No, you said they were INCAPABLE, not that they were unwilling.
If they are capable, they don't show much sign of it. Not everyone is going to be Oscar Wilde, but why don't they make an effort to converse?
Now if anyone had posted a message on here asking why members of certain communities don't make more of an effort to speak English (after all, they are living in England), you'd immediately pounce on that poster and brand them a card-carrying member of the BNP ! All of the above proves that these kind of issues are not, ahem, as black-and-white as you think

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 28 Jul 2007, 10:36

Carnoustie wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
Carnoustie wrote:No, you said they were INCAPABLE, not that they were unwilling.
If they are capable, they don't show much sign of it. Not everyone is going to be Oscar Wilde, but why don't they make an effort to converse?
Now if anyone had posted a message on here asking why members of certain communities don't make more of an effort to speak English (after all, they are living in England), you'd immediately pounce on that poster and brand them a card-carrying member of the BNP ! All of the above proves that these kind of issues are not, ahem, as black-and-white as you think

Would I? As it happens, I think there should be more effort put into encouraging people to speak English if they live in England, or Welsh if they live there. I'm not suggesting they should forget about their culture or religion, or that they should be stopped from coming here, or blaming them for all the ills society has. Actually, there are very few card carrying members of the BNP, the reason being most people who think the BNP have anything to say don't have the bottle to join it. They just don't have the courage of their convictions.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 28 Jul 2007, 11:15

Gone a bit off track here lads - agree to disagree and move on. However, it is one of the most structured and polite arguments I have seen on here.

strangler · Post by **strangler** » 28 Jul 2007, 11:16

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
Actually, there are very few card carrying members of the BNP, the reason being most people who think the BNP have anything to say don't have the bottle to join it. They just don't have the courage of their convictions.

The only good thing the BNP have done is to highlight the issue of immigration. It was only when they had a couple of very small 'successes' locally that the tories began speaking about it.
How does it take "bottle" to fill in a membership form and pay a tenner a month (or whatever it is) to join the BNP?
The reason there aren`t many "card carrying members" is in my view far more simple than about having "the courage of their convictions". It would be because they don`t agree with their policies! Probably the same reason why I would guess the Labour Party membership is falling. I voted Labour last time (god knows why) but I haven`t joined the party because I don`t agree with some of their policies. As has been said elsewhere on here there really isn`t much of a choice out there voting wise.
Before you jump to conclusions, I actually work with agency on a daily basis.
Polish, Algerian, Indian, etc. I spoke to a young bloke yesterday from Saudi Arabia. For a 40 hour week (when he can get it) he takes home Â£140 which is outrageous. They are just being used by the system in this country. I don`t blame them for wanting a better life. They are just being used as cheap labour and the 'open gates' policy you subscribe to would just multiply the problem.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 28 Jul 2007, 11:30

strangler wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
Actually, there are very few card carrying members of the BNP, the reason being most people who think the BNP have anything to say don't have the bottle to join it. They just don't have the courage of their convictions.
The only good thing the BNP have done is to highlight the issue of immigration. It was only when they had a couple of very small 'successes' locally that the tories began speaking about it.
How does it take "bottle" to fill in a membership form and pay a tenner a month (or whatever it is) to join the BNP?
The reason there aren`t many "card carrying members" is in my view far more simple than about having "the courage of their convictions". It would be because they don`t agree with their policies! Probably the same reason why I would guess the Labour Party membership is falling. I voted Labour last time (god knows why) but I haven`t joined the party because I don`t agree with some of their policies. As has been said elsewhere on here there really isn`t much of a choice out there voting wise.
Before you jump to conclusions, I actually work with agency on a daily basis.
Polish, Algerian, Indian, etc. I spoke to a young bloke yesterday from Saudi Arabia. For a 40 hour week (when he can get it) he takes home Â£140 which is outrageous. They are just being used by the system in this country. I don`t blame them for wanting a better life. They are just being used as cheap labour and the 'open gates' policy you subscribe to would just multiply the problem.

What multiplies the problem is the fact the system needs a constant pool of unemployed or cheap labour in order to prevent the workers from asking for their rightful rewards. That isn't the fault of anyone coming here. If you look at the earliest days of the factory system, bosses have always looked at ways of getting the most money for the least possible outlay. If it wasn't people arriving here from abroad, it would be home grown workers. I don't subscribe to an 'open gates' policy. I wouldn't have religious upstarts coming here for a start. But ordinary workers arriving here don't bother me at all. There are Poles, Irish and Chinese in my road who all seem more able to live without causing the slightest bother to the neighbours than many of the British.

strangler · Post by **strangler** » 28 Jul 2007, 12:20

IWW Fellow Worker wrote: What multiplies the problem is the fact the system needs a constant pool of unemployed or cheap labour in order to prevent the workers from asking for their rightful rewards. That isn't the fault of anyone coming here. If you look at the earliest days of the factory system, bosses have always looked at ways of getting the most money for the least possible outlay. If it wasn't people arriving here from abroad, it would be home grown workers. I don't subscribe to an 'open gates' policy. I wouldn't have religious upstarts coming here for a start. But ordinary workers arriving here don't bother me at all.

I`d go along with much of what you say above. We shouldn`t forget there are English agency workers athough in the minority. The miserly rates they are paid are still more than what they can get in their own country thus making it more attractive for them which is why the bosses get away with it.

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
There are Poles, Irish and Chinese in my road who all seem more able to live without causing the slightest bother to the neighbours than many of the British.

I don`t doubt what you`re saying for a moment. We`ve got a family from Ghana living next door and we couldn`t ask for nicer neighbours.
All I would add is I`m sure there are people living in certain areas who would argue the exact opposite. I suppose it`s down to personal experience.