TNT full-time mail deliverers to lose jobs in shake-up

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tnt would have lost even more jobs if they had been paying a decent price for dsa here.
or shock delivering themselves. ironic as they are portrayed as our competition and they not even solid at home.


seriously
what is happening to these tnt workers is outrageous
if was a purely financial decision to get rid of 11000 i wouldn't have such a problem with it.
but the loss of 11000 full timers while part timers jobs are declared safe!
sounds like a political decision to create a different sort of workforce.

Don't see the political decision, just the financial one. I think we can assume that TNT mail delivery trials in UK won't go any further either.

By political i don't mean government inspired as can also mean the internal politics of a company .

If it is financial decision it will make no difference if they are full or part time hours.
you know that a part timers have a quicker staff turnover (students etc)
20 hour workers are less likely to complain about poor conditions or be in a union.
We do agree on one thing, TNT are not credible competition at least for now nor potential buyers .

[POSTMAN]

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Economic affairs minister Maria van der Hoeven has no regrets about the liberalisation of the Dutch postal sector, despite the massive job losses at TNT Post, she told MPs on Tuesday, news agency ANP reports.

TNT is cutting some 11,000 jobs because of the rise in popularity of email and competition from budget delivery firms, who pay workers as freelancers.

Van der Hoeven told MPs during a debate she would liberalise the postal market all over again, but would set two important conditions: there should be a level European playing field and that proper working conditions for delivery staff should be guaranteed.

Before ordinary letter post was opened up to competition, ministers and employers agreed the budget delivery firms would make sure they employed 80% of their staff on formal contracts by 2012.

The budget firms, including Sandd and Selekt Mail, are now taking legal action in an effort to break that condition.

Social affairs minister Piet Hein Donner told MPs those conditions would be adhered to, despite the protests.

And he pointed out TNT will only begin sacking delivery workers in a couple of years. By that time, hopefully the labour market will be in need of many extra hands, he said.

[pickaname]

CWU watch out.

[BELIAL]

TNT is cutting some 11,000 jobs because of the rise in popularity of email

Ah that old chestnut Very popular this one with the parasite fat cats. Just out of interest can anyone provide an example when this claim was backed up with proof of any kind ,statistics ;an independent study, anything other than "opinion' or apocryphal dung? Don't bother trying ,you'd be wasting your time cos it is complete bull ,it just sounds reasonable. Strangely enough RM management are quite aware that the rise of the internet has in fact generated an increase in physical mail
Still the moon is made of blue cheese and this little fable is in no way used to drive down workers pay and boost management bonuses and profit

[parky]

TNT is cutting some 11,000 jobs because of the rise in popularity of email

Ah that old chestnut Very popular this one with the parasite fat cats. Just out of interest can anyone provide an example when this claim was backed up with proof of any kind ,statistics ;an independent study, anything other than "opinion' or apocryphal dung? Don't bother trying ,you'd be wasting your time cos it is complete bull ,it just sounds reasonable. Strangely enough RM management are quite aware that the rise of the internet has in fact generated an increase in physical mail
Still the moon is made of blue cheese and this little fable is in no way used to drive down workers pay and boost management bonuses and profit

well the union is spouting the same stuff now just read dingos posts!!!!!!! so it must be true...

[BELIAL]

TNT is cutting some 11,000 jobs because of the rise in popularity of email

Ah that old chestnut Very popular this one with the parasite fat cats. Just out of interest can anyone provide an example when this claim was backed up with proof of any kind ,statistics ;an independent study, anything other than "opinion' or apocryphal dung? Don't bother trying ,you'd be wasting your time cos it is complete bull ,it just sounds reasonable. Strangely enough RM management are quite aware that the rise of the internet has in fact generated an increase in physical mail
Still the moon is made of blue cheese and this little fable is in no way used to drive down workers pay and boost management bonuses and profit

well the union is spouting the same stuff now just read dingos posts!!!!!!! so it must be true...

"Make the lie big,make it simple , keep saying it , and eventually they will believe it" Wonder where the movers and shakers draw their inspiration from

[parky]

TNT is cutting some 11,000 jobs because of the rise in popularity of email

Ah that old chestnut Very popular this one with the parasite fat cats. Just out of interest can anyone provide an example when this claim was backed up with proof of any kind ,statistics ;an independent study, anything other than "opinion' or apocryphal dung? Don't bother trying ,you'd be wasting your time cos it is complete bull ,it just sounds reasonable. Strangely enough RM management are quite aware that the rise of the internet has in fact generated an increase in physical mail
Still the moon is made of blue cheese and this little fable is in no way used to drive down workers pay and boost management bonuses and profit

well the union is spouting the same stuff now just read dingos posts!!!!!!! so it must be true...

"Make the lie big,make it simple , keep saying it , and eventually they will believe it" Wonder where the movers and shakers draw their inspiration from

they probably draw it from the fact that while they on full time release on managers wages plus expences why would they rock the boat to end back on the shop floor or delivering!!!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

"Make the lie big,make it simple , keep saying it , and eventually they will believe it" Wonder where the movers and shakers draw their inspiration from

Strangely there are many similarities between his style of governance and Royal Mails management style

1. He said what he wanted and expected it to be done despite any consequences.
2. He allowed leaders within his government to set policy within their areas of control as long as it did not affect the "Plan" meaning that different areas did similar things in completely different ways.
3. He let leaders of a similar stature play against each other until one came out on top.
4. He believed in centralised control but once he made a decision he was no longer interested in its effect.
5. He used an internal police force within the party to controls his members.
6. He allowed leaders and informers to brief against "questionable" members and if necessary dispose of them.
7. He disliked Unions and attempted to destroy them.


scary aint it - perhaps a little far fetched but still worrying.

[BELIAL]

Very sinister and not just RM. 'heaven of hell,hell of heaven', and the truly scary bit "what luck for the leaders that men do not think"

[mr deeds]

cwu ...(joke)...we aint had a union in ages....and they will expect everyone to go on the street when full time release is withdrawn for those "special one's" well i say that i've had a good ride on good ship rm had some great mates but the partys over were gonna get turned over..and the cwu aint gonna stop it...all i hope is that the sh*theads that reccomended this deal and/or tried to sell it to the staff...get a big hit because us at the bottom of the food chain are used to getting s**t on anyway

[barbario]

If we do end up being at least part privatised,what chance would there be with TNT being one of the bidders considering the mess they are in.?

[BELIAL]

Every chance ,cos if you are in the s**t and someone offers you an X billion pound get out of jail card For free for f**k all and a few minor kickbacks , what would you do?

[barbario]

So if the Dutch postal system has been opened up to competition in Holland,what are Royal Mail trying to operate there.? or is this competition thing only one way.?