ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken !

Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.
tragictramp
Posts: 381
Joined: 19 Dec 2008, 18:02
Gender: Male

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by tragictramp »

what i find strange is that royal mail and the union have not tried to cover up this error, with some kind of linking parts of the agreement to the rewards table, at least then they can argue a point. i rang some community legal advice support group today and they said i wouldnt receive legal aid thus having to challenge them out of my own pocket lol, so i assume royal mail and the cwu expect to be unchallenged at least in the tribunal/employment courts. What we need is a millionaire postie who just does the job for the care of the community and wishes to challenge this biased unfair payment lol
dvbuk55
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 16650
Joined: 02 Jun 2007, 19:17
Gender: Male

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by dvbuk55 »

tragictramp wrote:what i find strange is that royal mail and the union have not tried to cover up this error, with some kind of linking parts of the agreement to the rewards table, at least then they can argue a point. i rang some community legal advice support group today and they said i wouldnt receive legal aid thus having to challenge them out of my own pocket lol, so i assume royal mail and the cwu expect to be unchallenged at least in the tribunal/employment courts. What we need is a millionaire postie who just does the job for the care of the community and wishes to challenge this biased unfair payment lol
The union has its own legal department and as a member of the CWU you can avail yourself of presumably impartial advice :angel
axeman
Posts: 1733
Joined: 12 Jun 2007, 17:57

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by axeman »

thats exactly what is needed if this was challenged in a court then i think you would find royal fail having to honour the wording and pay up but of course dingo and co seem to resent p'timers getting what the words say they should have as it was...... 'not part of the colleauge share money' ...... at least thats what they said prior to 'the democratic vote'
dblad
Posts: 448
Joined: 20 Nov 2009, 18:26
Gender: Male

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by dblad »

Lets be honest, pro rata is unfair, I've worked here over 6 years and I'm still part time, yet many others who have worked here less than me but have been fortunate to get afull time contract get more financially. Surely this can't be right.
postghost
Posts: 433
Joined: 05 Oct 2007, 21:19

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by postghost »

When it's all said and done here, the bottom line is this:

RM f****d up!
CWU HQ f****d up!

Yet another fiasco so soon after all the debate about polling cards leaves me wondering..... :arrrghhh

It is plain to see that the road ahead in "transforming" the business is going to be a long hard slog. How many words or paragraphs in the agreement are going to be twisted and manipulated to shaft us?

And thank you ACAS for demonstrating that you clearly have absolutely no interest in resolving issues as you said you would :Applause :Applause :Applause
proper postie
Posts: 328
Joined: 11 Mar 2010, 18:26
Gender: Male

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by proper postie »

If anyone still has the slip they put in with the ballot paper telling us to vote yes could they scan it? I'm almost certain there was no mention of pro rata on that.

Ps.and before the couple of blowhards on here tell me to stop moaning because I didn't want it and voted no,go f**k yourselfs.
jaja
Posts: 365
Joined: 07 Oct 2009, 13:32
Gender: Male

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by jaja »

postghost wrote:When it's all said and done here, the bottom line is this:

RM f****d up!
CWU HQ f****d up!

Yet another fiasco so soon after all the debate about polling cards leaves me wondering..... :arrrghhh

It is plain to see that the road ahead in "transforming" the business is going to be a long hard slog. How many words or paragraphs in the agreement are going to be twisted and manipulated to shaft us?

And thank you ACAS for demonstrating that you clearly have absolutely no interest in resolving issues as you said you would :Applause :Applause :Applause
THATS GOOD MATE HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR STAY AT ROYAL MAIL :left: :Boo hoo! :Boo hoo! :wave
mazza111
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 877
Joined: 09 Mar 2010, 16:30
Gender: Female

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by mazza111 »

Had a word with the union rep, and he agrees it was badly worded, but should have been explained fully in any meetings before the vote.

So I'm kinda feeling atm like we've won the battle, but lost the war so to speak. RM and CWU admit that their wording on page 62/63 was wrong, but as it stands, it's prorata, end of story.

Moral victory maybe, but still feel cheated
tragictramp
Posts: 381
Joined: 19 Dec 2008, 18:02
Gender: Male

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by tragictramp »

just found a letter sent to members on the cwu site with the following and signatures:
even more evidence staff were misled on the leadup to the vote!!, royal mail scum
http://www.cwu.org/assets/_files/docume ... arch_2.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A reward package over the next 3 years of:
➢ A reduction in the working week of one hour (a cash alternative for some grades).
➢ Increases to basic pay
● 2.0% in April 2010
● 1.4% in April 2011
● 3.5% in April 2012
➢ Guaranteed payments of £1,000 per full time employee linked to transformation.
➢ Conversion of some existing payments into weekly and permanent non pensionable supplements
to basic pay (full details of this will follow).
➢ Improved maternity and paternity pay.
➢ As a result of this agreement colleagueshare payments in 2011 and 2012 should now be enhanced.
➢ £400 when the agreement is ratified
Pensions remains a concern and having reached this agreement the union is now making immediate representation
to the Government. It is our view that they, as the owner, must now finally face up to their responsibilities.
We will contact you again with more details on all these issues and you will receive a ballot paper in due course
Yours sincerely,

Dave Ward Billy Hayes
Deputy General Secretary (P) General Secretary
Martin Collins Ray Ellis Bob Gibson Terry Pullinger
Assistant Secretary Assistant Secretary Assistant Secretary Assistant Secretary
Silly Sarah
Posts: 112
Joined: 06 May 2010, 22:13
Gender: Female
Location: wild west

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by Silly Sarah »

axeman wrote:thats exactly what is needed if this was challenged in a court then i think you would find royal fail having to honour the wording and pay up but of course dingo and co seem to resent p'timers getting what the words say they should have as it was...... 'not part of the colleauge share money' ...... at least thats what they said prior to 'the democratic vote'
We just need to know if the exact wording of this type of agreement is legally binding. Morally it all seems wrong as there must be some YES voters who would have voted NO if they had known the real truth. But in the end the vote wasn't close so who knows how a court would view that. Unfortunately morally counts for nothing in law.

Incidentally many home insurance policies cover legal expenses if anyone did fancy giving RM/CWU a good kicking!
What have I done to deserve this?
axeman
Posts: 1733
Joined: 12 Jun 2007, 17:57

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by axeman »

the wording + what it says on your pay slip some critical errors id' like to think royal fail have made a big big error on both the items in question :d'oh!

clearly says for acceptance of the agreement nothing about pro-rata there methinks !!
kevbo
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 134
Joined: 07 May 2010, 16:33
Gender: Male

Re: May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken

Post by kevbo »

I have been told by HR that this is going to be recalculated without any reduction for length of service less than a year. Good news for us newbies who were getting it both barrels. Will still be pro rata depending on average hours worked though. Any increase to be paid hopefully 28th May.