London Division- Vote Yes

[REDLETTER]

Next week is the third week running I will have only 2 lots of DTD.

Only two in the local paper this week, last week it was eight.

Must be a quiet week for the DTD market

Well it seems 2 more than some London areas!

I've had 3 every week since they re-started after Christmas.

Give me the time and I will deliver, Give me the spin and I will cut-off!

[dvbuk55]

One thing for sure 'dingo' this farce classed as an agreement is no improvement for the rank and file and you as a rep should not back it either, although you personaly have the right to vote any which way you wish

ps.... for your information i stand for whats right and am willing to put my job on the line if i belive it's right can you say that ?

You just hope he's gone for a pint axeman - it never does to question a mans integrity But I think he'll be replying to that - in fact I could probably reply in his absence - but I wouldn't want to steal his thunder

Yes ,expect to listen in wonder to "the greatest story ever told" about the great sacrifice made especially in GOD's TRIANGLE,
as someone brilliantly reffered to this place as, without that sacrifice we would not have this great deal, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Steve - hey steve - oh god he's gone to sleep - can't you stay awake a bit longer - what was it the great man said in the garden at Gethsemane - "could you not wait with me awhile"

[johnnyrocker]

I had 3 this week and when i left today, Still had 3 left. Shame that. Nice to get the Election leaflets as well yesterday. 3 days to deliver.

[Martin Walsh]

Steve at the moment most mail centres do not clear to the new workplan , in the future mail centres will have a revison in order to ensure that they clear the 60% of work on the late shift and not the night shift. The introduction of one outward pass is design to help with this. So people on deliveries might want to consider that the change to the workplan has a big effect on mail centres as they will lose a lot more night duties which are normally the most popular shift.

The new workplan is aimed at ensuring the 60% of mail clears the mail centre at no later than 11.40 and that work can be sequenced during night in batches.

The distant mail which makes up the majority of the remaining 40% is aimed to clear the inward operation in the mail centre by 0440. This means that work can then be transported to the where the sequencing machines are sited so that it can be batch sorted. So depending how many offices are being served by a the sequencing site then it will depend on where your office is in the running order. The norma plan is that the office furtherest away from the walk sequencing office is normally done first. Each batch appoxmately 12 walks have to have 3 passes before it can be transported so it will depend where your particular walk is in the batch order.

[Martin Walsh]

Axeman I have been discplined for carrying out my union activities and on two other occasions been targeted for dismissal for lets say not keeping to the employment laws. I have also been threatened with costs as a result of the 2003 unofficial dispute. When I was a local rep I was suspended for holding an unofficial members meeting which led to us being out unofficially fo 8 days only the as a result of an agreement by Alan Johnson did Roya Mail drop the case.

So I care about members and have given a lot of years in helping members get justice and better terms and conditions. In my experience you only get the terms and condtions you want locally by sticking togethers and fighting for them.

Oh by the way myself and a couple other London reps also got threatened with discpline from the Union when we had a major disagreement with the then DGPS John Keggie over out belief that he was not addressing London weighting and in the end we got it addressed and helped to then defeat John Keggies in the election.

[tojobevred]

so i take it dingo you were 1 of the founder members of the split in the union ie north south divide and the organising of prizes for voting in pec ballots
the cwu is just not about london

[Martin Walsh]

so i take it dingo you were 1 of the founder members of the split in the union ie north south divide and the organising of prizes for voting in pec ballots
the cwu is just not about london

We never organised prizes for the PEC , in fact I still have the leaflet from the North ( all together now ) group calling for that. Lets just say that after the employee agenda and PBS , interim delivery agreement and the way forward, we did organise on a north / south way as in the main back then you had Billy Hayes who was the then outdoor secretary , John Keggie the DGSP , and Derek Hodgson who was the General secretary. In the main the group was against those national agreements and campaigned against them and got people elected to the PEC and national officer postions. We did call ourselves the Southern alliance.

It did cause a very bitter period but we held talks with some from the North and we got over it.

[axeman]

Yes i agree with you dingo you do only get the best deal by sticking together thats why this agreement is fundamentaly flawed it '''will' lead to a fractionalised union (apart from those who've already expresed there intentions to leave after the vote) from the other 'flaws' it has

but i do belive as union reps the deal should be displayed on a bassis of reps being totaly impartial as i said you view is yours but members should not be swayed by one sided views either way, and 'ward' & co's intrest lies with the protection of there jobs so we cannot call that impartial more a self interest

[Martin Walsh]

Yes i agree with you dingo you do only get the best deal by sticking together thats why this agreement is fundamentaly flawed it '''will' lead to a fractionalised union (apart from those who've already expresed there intentions to leave after the vote) from the other 'flaws' it has

but i do believe as union reps the deal should be displayed on a bassis of reps being totaly impartial as i said you view is yours but members should not be swayed by one sided views either way, and 'ward' & co's intrest lies with the protection of there jobs so we cannot call that impartial more a self interest

I dont agree with you , one is I dont think the agreement will lead to a fractionalised union and secondly why shouldn't union reps tell their opinion of the agreement to the members. I get ask mine on a constant basis as i go around offices and after all on one hand I am asked to get the members out on strike but I cant then tell them if I think the agreement is worthy of their support.

Look I do think a lot of crap has been written about the numbers of people in deliveries who are meant to be losing and the true figures are that two thirds of delivery workers are winners and those who lose range from a couple of quid to the door to door barons on £500 per week.

For the record the union met the door to door manager last week and guess what they want to manange any growth in a strict manner and another artificial cap. They have a new map which shows where the parts of the country are where they will get growth in the short term. However they know that whilst door to door is a growing product they cannot open the gates and relaunch the product and then when they get the new products they fail to deliver.

Plus lets be honest some office will have to put in extra hours to cope with the delivery of the items when they go into workload , some will be able to save hours and some may use door to door into workload to support better attendances. Management know that whilst door to door will increase revenue it still will not plug the financial gap of other streams and if they put loads more hours into the office on the new rate of money then their business plan will be hard to achieve.

[Tman]

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Global Mail Volume Falls – Again it is hard for our
members – particularly in deliveries where RM
have pushed harder and harder for savings
recently – to see a loss of volume. Our Mail Centre
members however will see before their eyes the
changes due to DSA and a reduction in mail.

Lies, all lies....
Me bag's as 'eavy as it always was, an' now I deliver 152 bags every morning an' you don't know what you're talking about this is big boy's stuff .........blah blah blah.

"None so blind.....etc etc"

[steven100]

Steve at the moment most mail centres do not clear to the new workplan , in the future mail centres will have a revison in order to ensure that they clear the 60% of work on the late shift and not the night shift. The introduction of one outward pass is design to help with this. So people on deliveries might want to consider that the change to the workplan has a big effect on mail centres as they will lose a lot more night duties which are normally the most popular shift.

The new workplan is aimed at ensuring the 60% of mail clears the mail centre at no later than 11.40 and that work can be sequenced during night in batches.

The distant mail which makes up the majority of the remaining 40% is aimed to clear the inward operation in the mail centre by 0440. This means that work can then be transported to the where the sequencing machines are sited so that it can be batch sorted. So depending how many offices are being served by a the sequencing site then it will depend on where your office is in the running order. The norma plan is that the office furtherest away from the walk sequencing office is normally done first. Each batch appoxmately 12 walks have to have 3 passes before it can be transported so it will depend where your particular walk is in the batch order.

In the distant future, which year 2014 when we are back on strike. RM have never kept to a agreement. Leopards don't change.

[Tman]

Axeman? Improve anything???

He invariably improves my mood with his err... stuff he posts. They remind me that things could always be a lot worse....

[fishtank]

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Global Mail Volume Falls – Again it is hard for our
members – particularly in deliveries where RM
have pushed harder and harder for savings
recently – to see a loss of volume. Our Mail Centre
members however will see before their eyes the
changes due to DSA and a reduction in mail.

Lies, all lies....
Me bag's as 'eavy as it always was, an' now I deliver 152 bags every morning an' you don't know what you're talking about this is big boy's stuff .........blah blah blah.

"None so blind.....etc etc"

Now try to read it again T-man and slowly this time....use your finger to follow the words if you're struggling etc etc..

[Tman]

Done that, still reads the same though.
DO blokes unable/unwilling to see the bigger picture, as recognised by the London CWU.

[dvbuk55]

Look I do think a lot of crap has been written about the numbers of people in deliveries who are meant to be losing and the true figures are that two thirds of delivery workers are winners and those who lose range from a couple of quid to the door to door barons on £500 per week.

For the record the union met the door to door manager last week and guess what they want to manange any growth in a strict manner and another artificial cap. They have a new map which shows where the parts of the country are where they will get growth in the short term. However they know that whilst door to door is a growing product they cannot open the gates and relaunch the product and then when they get the new products they fail to deliver.

Plus lets be honest some office will have to put in extra hours to cope with the delivery of the items when they go into workload , some will be able to save hours and some may use door to door into workload to support better attendances. Management know that whilst door to door will increase revenue it still will not plug the financial gap of other streams and if they put loads more hours into the office on the new rate of money then their business plan will be hard to achieve.

I am very interested in the statistics to support your claim that two thirds of delivery officers are winners, is that full time and part time, when does the winning streak commence and what about the third that ARE, according to you, losers - is there something about their money that isn't as good as the winners?

This "artificial cap" on D2D, you haven't mentioned what it is, is that nationwide or area by area, and why not make the cap known and add a rider that should that cap be exceeded there will be additional reward added to the delivery supplement? Just a small incentive and if anyone is making £500 a week dingo it is not outside Gods triangle.

Why wouldn't every office need to increase hours to take into account the existing D2D. lovejoy said that they should be prepped in their own time and so it would follow that if that is the case then not only would any new business need to be accounted for but existing D2D as well. It would also follow that if they are already being prepped in existing hours there would be no need to increase hours and therefore no extra work is created and no more jobs saved.