In fact if you have feeder offices its more likely to make your start times later.belle smith wrote:You aint going to get 4am starts. even with the sequencing machines based at your DO.superfox wrote:If we normally start between 5am and 6am, and we then went to 10 hour days starting at 4am would we keep our ESA?
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Re: lies or the truth?
I don't mine the later starts and later finishes, but I won't vote for a pay cut.. so no ESA means a no vote
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Re: lies or the truth?
Your ESA money is kinda dependant on the early starts.superfox wrote:I don't mine the later starts and later finishes, but I won't vote for a pay cut.. so no ESA means a no vote
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Re: lies or the truth?
belle smith wrote:No we didn't....his rep said "no later than 2pm."Big Daz wrote:You have missed out the following part of time of day for reaching last delivery point,
The vast majority of letter deliveries are planned to be completed by 1430 hours and most by 1400 hours.
We have a wee bit of a misundertsanding, I was quoting proper postie who said Well the official (i.e. CWU stated) finish times for Saturday are 3pm residential/4pm rural for a start.
The reality is we have three different last call times with a indication of how many of us will fit into each catergory.
Majority by 2pm Vast majority by 2.30pm and the remainder by 3pm
A majority on paper is 51% but what about vast majority, any one want to take a guess as to what figure could be classed as vast majority?
75%? 85%? 95%?
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Okay, crossed purposes.Big Daz wrote:belle smith wrote:No we didn't....his rep said "no later than 2pm."Big Daz wrote:You have missed out the following part of time of day for reaching last delivery point,
The vast majority of letter deliveries are planned to be completed by 1430 hours and most by 1400 hours.
We have a wee bit of a misundertsanding, I was quoting proper postie who said Well the official (i.e. CWU stated) finish times for Saturday are 3pm residential/4pm rural for a start.
The reality is we have three different last call times with a indication of how many of us will fit into each catergory.
Majority by 2pm Vast majority by 2.30pm and the remainder by 3pm
A majority on paper is 51% but what about vast majority, any one want to take a guess as to what figure could be classed as vast majority?
75%? 85%? 95%?
Can i guess at 55% or 60% ........95% doesn't sound so bad.
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Re: lies or the truth?
There also two other variablesBig Daz wrote:
We have a wee bit of a misundertsanding, I was quoting proper postie who said Well the official (i.e. CWU stated) finish times for Saturday are 3pm residential/4pm rural for a start.
The reality is we have three different last call times with a indication of how many of us will fit into each catergory.
Majority by 2pm Vast majority by 2.30pm and the remainder by 3pm
A majority on paper is 51% but what about vast majority, any one want to take a guess as to what figure could be classed as vast majority?
75%? 85%? 95%?
1. It says "planned"
2. It says "letter deliveries"
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Re: lies or the truth?
After flicking back through the Management powerpoint slides, (slide 13,ironic really)Big Daz wrote:belle smith wrote:No we didn't....his rep said "no later than 2pm."Big Daz wrote:You have missed out the following part of time of day for reaching last delivery point,
The vast majority of letter deliveries are planned to be completed by 1430 hours and most by 1400 hours.
We have a wee bit of a misundertsanding, I was quoting proper postie who said Well the official (i.e. CWU stated) finish times for Saturday are 3pm residential/4pm rural for a start.
The reality is we have three different last call times with a indication of how many of us will fit into each catergory.
Majority by 2pm Vast majority by 2.30pm and the remainder by 3pm
A majority on paper is 51% but what about vast majority, any one want to take a guess as to what figure could be classed as vast majority?
75%? 85%? 95%?
Delivery: Saturdays
Saturdays become part of standardized work plan
1500 last letter residential and 1600 rural
Delivers full sequencing Mon-Sat
Not much room for scope in those statements eh? come back at 2pm on a Saturday and you're getting another hours work to deliver by the looks of it.
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belle smith
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Re: lies or the truth?
ah but if you work through your tea breakproper postie wrote:After flicking back through the Management powerpoint slides, (slide 13,ironic really)
Delivery: Saturdays
Saturdays become part of standardized work plan
1500 last letter residential and 1600 rural
Delivers full sequencing Mon-Sat
Not much room for scope in those statements eh? come back at 2pm on a Saturday and you're getting another hours work to deliver by the looks of it.
ps. i know it says planned Daz.
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Re: lies or the truth?
One of those things local reps will need to keep a eye on as we are the policemen of this deal looking out for criminal dealings by the management.
One question though can I use a truncheon

One question though can I use a truncheon
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Re: lies or the truth?
Big Daz wrote:One of those things local reps will need to keep a eye on as we are the policemen of this deal looking out for criminal dealings by the management.
One question though can I use a truncheon![]()
More like one of those private security gaurds with a crappy uniform and no real power.
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Re: lies or the truth?
belle smith wrote:ah but if you work through your tea breakproper postie wrote:After flicking back through the Management powerpoint slides, (slide 13,ironic really)
Delivery: Saturdays
Saturdays become part of standardized work plan
1500 last letter residential and 1600 rural
Delivers full sequencing Mon-Sat
Not much room for scope in those statements eh? come back at 2pm on a Saturday and you're getting another hours work to deliver by the looks of it.maybe the vast majority will.
ps. i know it says planned Daz.
Incompetent summary by RML, what a surprise
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belle smith
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Re: lies or the truth?
You forgot the plastic badge.fishtank wrote:Big Daz wrote:One of those things local reps will need to keep a eye on as we are the policemen of this deal looking out for criminal dealings by the management.
One question though can I use a truncheon![]()
More like one of those private security gaurds with a crappy uniform and no real power.
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belle smith
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Re: lies or the truth?
RML seem to have got what they wanted. I don't think their compatence is the issue.Big Daz wrote:Incompetent summary by RML, what a surprise
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proper postie
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Re: lies or the truth?
There's another two bullet points to it,one about commitment to I in 4,and another about joint national review on progress,but that's it.Big Daz wrote:belle smith wrote:ah but if you work through your tea breakproper postie wrote:After flicking back through the Management powerpoint slides, (slide 13,ironic really)
Delivery: Saturdays
Saturdays become part of standardized work plan
1500 last letter residential and 1600 rural
Delivers full sequencing Mon-Sat
Not much room for scope in those statements eh? come back at 2pm on a Saturday and you're getting another hours work to deliver by the looks of it.maybe the vast majority will.
ps. i know it says planned Daz.
Incompetent summary by RML, what a surprise
This is what managers are getting.It's basically diktat.
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Re: lies or the truth?
Sorry Daz coudn't reist.belle smith wrote:You forgot the plastic badge.fishtank wrote:Big Daz wrote:One of those things local reps will need to keep a eye on as we are the policemen of this deal looking out for criminal dealings by the management.
One question though can I use a truncheon![]()
More like one of those private security gaurds with a crappy uniform and no real power.
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