glasgow meeting

[belle smith]

Thats what its all about....... having the debate for real not from behind a computer!

If it's invalid to talk from behind a computer why do you log on? It's actually all about the vote were everyone gets a say.

[brothermagrew]

Question is what recommendation will the Glasgow & District Amal Branch now make to their respective Branch members?

[NewPostieUK]

Thats what its all about....... having the debate for real not from behind a computer!

Did you express your opinion about the holes in the arguments?

I agree, but not everyone is comfortable speaking up in front of a lot of people. I often come out of meetings with people debating with each other, why this, why that, but they hadn't said anything at the meeting. That's why we need decent reps. Someone to talk to one on one, or in a small group. who we can rely on to put our points forward, and ask our questions.

EDIT: Just to add I think the Internet plays a massive part in sharing info and uniting us, along side 'real' debate.

[chewi]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

Thats what its all about....... having the debate for real not from behind a computer!

yes

I'm a bigger, harder, bastard than you come on!!!! hit me. Come on do it. Try it on!!!! Thats what face to face means. Don't think about things in a rational way. Don't weigh up the pro's and con's in a calm and considered manner. Oh no. Do what you are told is best for you, they know best. Bolloxs. I was minded to vote no. The shite coming from HQ(those with something to lose) has just firmed up my decision. NO NO NO

[pickaname]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

At the end of the day it doesnt matter what branch officials recommend. Its a PAY CUT.

Im ashamed to be a member of this shower of s**t union.

[belle smith]

I'm a bigger, harder, bastard than you come on!!!! hit me. Come on do it. Try it on!!!! Thats what face to face means. Don't think about things in a rational way. Don't weigh up the pro's and con's in a calm and considered manner. Oh no. Do what you are told is best for you, they know best. Bolloxs. I was minded to vote no. The shite coming from HQ(those with something to lose) has just firmed up my decision. NO NO NO

Is that how the meetings go in your work?

[postghost]

d2d into workload saves f/t jobs

Yet no full time jobs will be created. Furthermore, there is still the issue of pro rata payment.

[chewi]

I'm a bigger, harder, bastard than you come on!!!! hit me. Come on do it. Try it on!!!! Thats what face to face means. Don't think about things in a rational way. Don't weigh up the pro's and con's in a calm and considered manner. Oh no. Do what you are told is best for you, they know best. Bolloxs. I was minded to vote no. The shite coming from HQ(those with something to lose) has just firmed up my decision. NO NO NO

Is that how the meetings go in your work?

only when management and their Quislings are involved For everybodies information our Reps are good and will vote no

[pickaname]

d2d into workload saves f/t jobs

Yet no full time jobs will be created. Furthermore, there is still the issue of pro rata payment.

Dont undertand why it saves FT jobs. We were doing it in their time anyway.

Oh hang on. Is it cause RM pockets 600 Million quid by not paying us to do them? Yea that might be it...

[stevie247]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

I am totally gobsmacked by this only one desenting voice from every rep in the west of scotland WTF This is another vague agreement open to interpretation and a pay cut for the majority of delivery posties with below inflation pay increases all paid for by money we all ready earned through colleague share scheme.How do you sell this to the part timer that will lose 20 pound a week or the full timer who is down 10 pound by saying trust us trust them....NO i don't and yes i will vote NO.

[belle smith]

I am totally gobsmacked by this only one desenting voice from every rep in the west of scotland WTF This is another vague agreement open to interpretation and a pay cut for the majority of delivery posties with below inflation pay increases all paid for by money we all ready earned through colleague share scheme.How do you sell this to the part timer that will lose 20 pound a week or the full timer who is down 10 pound by saying trust us trust them....NO i don't and yes i will vote NO.

West of Scotland....it was all of Scotland.

[lovejoy]

I am totally gobsmacked by this only one desenting voice from every rep in the west of scotland WTF This is another vague agreement open to interpretation and a pay cut for the majority of delivery posties with below inflation pay increases all paid for by money we all ready earned through colleague share scheme.How do you sell this to the part timer that will lose 20 pound a week or the full timer who is down 10 pound by saying trust us trust them....NO i don't and yes i will vote NO.

West of Scotland....it was all of Scotland.

Maybe this shows that rather than sit on here alongside people (99% probably haven't even read the agreement) moaning, units need to set up members meetings.

I heard the applause for the officers today was huge - this isn't because local reps are lunatics, its because they understand and support the logic behind some of the decisions that have been made!

[postghost]

its because they understand and support the logic behind some of the decisions that have been made!

Fair enough, but that doesn't justify the illogical in this agreement.

[belle smith]

Maybe this shows that rather than sit on here alongside people (99% probably haven't even read the agreement) moaning, units need to set up members meetings.

I heard the applause for the officers today was huge - this isn't because local reps are lunatics, its because they understand and support the logic behind some of the decisions that have been made!

Odd that the CWU weren't in favour off all these things before, when RM were first proposing them, if they are so logical.

ps. i note the caveat about 'some' of the decisions.

[lovejoy]

Maybe this shows that rather than sit on here alongside people (99% probably haven't even read the agreement) moaning, units need to set up members meetings.

I heard the applause for the officers today was huge - this isn't because local reps are lunatics, its because they understand and support the logic behind some of the decisions that have been made!

Odd that the CWU weren't in favour off all these things before, when RM were first proposing them, if they are so logical.

ps. i note the caveat about 'some' of the decisions.

What did your rep have to say today?