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Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
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gb93
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Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
Would like to hear people's opinions on this especially from our illustrious 3
This ain't no baseball game, you get only one chance and you blew it.
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DirtyHarry
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
No. It's absolutely crystal clear, that under this new agreement, our terms and conditions of work deteriorate even further than they already have.
Time to say, enough is enough. VOTE NO.
Time to say, enough is enough. VOTE NO.
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AnotherLimey
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
It's a terrible deal for delivery men that i'm sure of, Dingo said biggest pay rise in history and other such gems, so so dissapointed 
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old-postie
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
the only unambigous benefit is a reduction in the working week,
which of course doesn't help part timers
VOTE NO!
old-postie
which of course doesn't help part timers
VOTE NO!
old-postie
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wranglered
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
gb93 wrote:Would like to hear people's opinions on this especially from our illustrious 3
illustrious 3???? three wise monkeys?
yeah...right.....as to your question...absolutely not....RM are getting what they wanted way back in 2007...a workforce that is no longer 40% overpaid and underworked...a workforce that effectively will have no pay increase in 5 years...and that is being modest on the inflation projections....I could easily make a case for a 20% reduction in real terms....a workforce that will be cowed into submission working extra for no pay 'cos they cannot keep up with performance measures the CWU allow RM to inflict on them.... or the alternative, the sack and on their own at an Employment Tribunal if they can face it....it goes on and on.....pensions? Ha! Ha!
there is NOTHING in that agreement that improves terms and conditions this year, last year and for the years ahead....it is a disgrace....it is not the deal of the century promised us...it is a race to the bottom.....
it has to be a NO for those reasons and the thousands of others I could pull out of that bag of waffle flying through the ether...
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pickaname
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
We have to ask ourselves if the reasons we went on strike last year have been addressed in this agreement.
IMHO i say no...if anything it would seem they have been made wholly worse by the vague and ambiguous language.
IMHO i say no...if anything it would seem they have been made wholly worse by the vague and ambiguous language.
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fishtank
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
pickaname wrote:We have to ask ourselves if the reasons we went on strike last year have been addressed in this agreement.
IMHO i say no...if anything it would seem they have been made wholly worse by the vague and ambiguous language.
That is one of many let downs in this deal.
After 2007 it was made clear NO MORE wooly language that can be interpreted in umpteen different ways by as many different managers.
What did we get.......
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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k979aaa
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gb93
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
Some very good points made wranglered, maybe expect your bitter and twisted comments to come your way from some.
How anyone can spin this into members thinking it is a good deal is beyond me, but i sure would like to hear someone try.
My former unshakeable beliefs on union membership has been stretched to the limit and maybe broken by what i have seen & heard this weekend.
How anyone can spin this into members thinking it is a good deal is beyond me, but i sure would like to hear someone try.
My former unshakeable beliefs on union membership has been stretched to the limit and maybe broken by what i have seen & heard this weekend.
This ain't no baseball game, you get only one chance and you blew it.
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Ahebban
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
The fault lies with CWU HQ in regard to how poor this Agreement is at first showing and not with Dingo, Lovejoy, The Truth et al.
All they have done is place information into the public domain in good faith and tried to put that information in context. I have no doubt in my mind that they feel equally let down, if not more so, as the rest of us!
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't!
All they have done is place information into the public domain in good faith and tried to put that information in context. I have no doubt in my mind that they feel equally let down, if not more so, as the rest of us!
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't!
Ahebban - anglo-saxon in origin - meaning 'Wages War'
What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight, what counts is the size of the fight in the dog. - Mark Twain
What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight, what counts is the size of the fight in the dog. - Mark Twain
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fishtank
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
If they feel as let down as us they are very welcome to come on and share their feelings with us.Ahebban wrote:The fault lies with CWU HQ in regard to how poor this Agreement is at first showing and not with Dingo, Lovejoy, The Truth et al.
All they have done is place information into the public domain in good faith and tried to put that information in context. I have no doubt in my mind that they feel equally let down, if not more so, as the rest of us!
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't!
Maybe a bit of solidarity from the top would go a long way.
In my opinion those at the top will have a very different opinion of this deal than we have.
We have to deal with the realities of the agreement whereas they have to deal with the politics of it.
Two very different takes on the same agreement.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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wranglered
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
Ahebban wrote:The fault lies with CWU HQ in regard to how poor this Agreement is at first showing and not with Dingo, Lovejoy, The Truth et al.
All they have done is place information into the public domain in good faith and tried to put that information in context. I have no doubt in my mind that they feel equally let down, if not more so, as the rest of us!
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't!
now that is interesting....would you share that view if at least one of them turned out to be a key negotiator in this deal of the century?
I think you might not be so keen to use the words "good faith" and "equally let down, if not more so" when referring to the Crucial 3!!!!
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el_cartero
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
why do u pay subs?
one day part timers will have the same right as full timers
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wranglered
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
I don't anymore if you are asking me.....mind you I funded these parasites on full release long enough....el_cartero wrote:why do u pay subs?
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k979aaa
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Re: Are our terms & conditions improved by this deal
Careful el cartero is on a recruitment drive!.wranglered wrote:I don't anymore if you are asking me.....mind you I funded these parasites on full release long enough....el_cartero wrote:why do u pay subs?