The deal will be done..Edit:Whenever.....

[Body Beyond Repair]

Dingo you must be living in cloud cookoo land if you think RM are waiting on an agreement before introducing revisions.Next week 2 offices are getting geo route introduced and another there plan is to take for 450,what's the branch or divi reps doing about it you guessed it...........Weak......and for all the I/A we've taken has it made a difference we'll today tell's its own story.

[red72]

So talks are off then back on again in less than 24hrs, i think i'll give these messsage boards a wide berth for a while

[fishtank]

So talks are off then back on again in less than 24hrs, i think i'll give these messsage boards a wide berth for a while

All a bit suspicious.
Just how "off" were the taks?

[perth1122]

i cant believe,all the rubbish ive just read,i left our union years ago after they agreed to the way forward deal,They just plunder from one fiasco to another,just give me my redundacy and im out o here,incompetence at its best,

[gb93]

I am sorry to say dingo but the more i hear you say the more i worry about your thinking or motives behind your posts. In the beginning i welcomed your posts and believed you had our interests at heart and did your best to inform us best you could despite sniping from some among us. Now i wonder if you know anything more than the rest of us at all or worse are a plant providing false information. These talks have gone on long enough now with members been kept in the dark and feed little titbits of what might be agreed or not it is time the union said "right is this your final offer"and if the reply is yes then put it to the members in full for a democratic vote.

[mr hil.]

Dingo broke the news that the talks had broken down..you heard it here first because of him

then he let us know that things were back on....without him we would be even more in the dark...keep posting Dingo at least some news is better than no news..I

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Dingo broke the news that the talks had broken down..you heard it here first because of him

then he let us know that things were back on....without him we would be even more in the dark...keep posting Dingo at least some news is better than no news..I

Although I don't always agree with Dingo I full support the above sentiments by Mr Hil. We get some very good information from Dingo and one thing is for sure without him, Lovejoy and The Truth we would be completely in the dark, in this case the more information the better. When the agreement comes out then will be the time to pick it apart.

[belle smith]

Something major has happened today which has now made an agreement less likely.

Royal Mail have briefed and will be briefing at WTLs sessions in London and possibly elsewhere titled LETS TALK ABOUT DELIVERY INDOOR PRODUCTIVITY . This briefing document explains intially about indivudual performance standards but now want to introduce standards based on these 21 items per inward sorting letters, 15 items per minute for plats and 10 items per minute for packets. In addition 12 items prep per minute all in including clear from IPS frames and clearing down your frame and collect your special deliveries.

This document has caused a ripple effect and has left the union believing that this new brief completely undermines the talks and some of the commitments within the discussions. In fact the union has now signalled the talks have boken down.

Watch this space.

if the talks are back on again.....then i assume no one should be getting this at work time learning over the next few weeks then?

dingo, I for one am happy to wait for the right deal, so long as HQ are prepared to walk away from the wrong deal, especially on performance standards! I'd rather not have an agreement on those, than have my union agreeing unachievable standards.

[belle smith]

Dingo broke the news that the talks had broken down..you heard it here first because of him

then he let us know that things were back on....without him we would be even more in the dark...keep posting Dingo at least some news is better than no news..I

Although I don't always agree with Dingo I full support the above sentiments by Mr Hil. We get some very good information from Dingo and one thing is for sure without him, Lovejoy and The Truth we would be completely in the dark, in this case the more information the better. When the agreement comes out then will be the time to pick it apart.

I'll second....err third that.

[the beautiful bd south]

Like Mushrooms,,,
Kept in the dark and fed a load of S##t

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Like Mushrooms,,,
Kept in the dark and fed a load of S##t

But like most fungi it left too long and not taken care of properly they will eventually rot and stink the place out.

[gb93]

"Cantbelieveits" posted on feb 14th (sorry dont know how to link post) This post gave us more information in one post than dingo has in countless.If you are so much in the know dingo give us some real info and updates that have taken place since "Cantbelieveits" post rather than the waffle and non-information you have fed us.

[dvbuk55]

Wow - what a surprise.

This union has done this that and the other - BUT - it hasn't got a deal in 4 months of negotiating. I dispute what is said on here by those in the know because changes are still taking place - if some weren't so blinkered and read posts from other people they would see that.

Now we get to the nitty gritty - the union have walked away from the table - BUT - lo and behold I smell the old "we have managed to turn defeat into victory by being tough" and we have now got this that and the other so we've really fought your corner.

When you look back and read what has been said on here:

Biggest Pay rise ever
Deal of the Century
Life changing
Watch this Space
The deal will be ......
There will be a matrix for working fewer Saturdays - you'll have a choice

The plain and simple truth is that we should not have called off the strikes last year - Chamberlain was reborn that day and there has been nothing but appeasement and turning a blind eye since 2007.

[jaja]

Wow - what a surprise.

This union has done this that and the other - BUT - it hasn't got a deal in 4 months of negotiating. I dispute what is said on here by those in the know because changes are still taking place - if some weren't so blinkered and read posts from other people they would see that.

Now we get to the nitty gritty - the union have walked away from the table - BUT - lo and behold I smell the old "we have managed to turn defeat into victory by being tough" and we have now got this that and the other so we've really fought your corner.

When you look back and read what has been said on here:

Biggest Pay rise ever
Deal of the Century
Life changing
Watch this Space
The deal will be ......

There will be a matrix for working fewer Saturdays - you'll have a choice

The plain and simple truth is that we should not have called off the strikes last year - Chamberlain was reborn that day and there has been nothing but appeasement and turning a blind eye since 2007.

I agree with you the strikes were called off Prematureley and according to some posts RM managent are trying to introduce change in some offices.

We can not let this happen until any agreement has been accepted it seems RM managment have their own agenda regardless

[donut]

Wow - what a surprise.

This union has done this that and the other - BUT - it hasn't got a deal in 4 months of negotiating. I dispute what is said on here by those in the know because changes are still taking place - if some weren't so blinkered and read posts from other people they would see that.

Now we get to the nitty gritty - the union have walked away from the table - BUT - lo and behold I smell the old "we have managed to turn defeat into victory by being tough" and we have now got this that and the other so we've really fought your corner.

When you look back and read what has been said on here:

Biggest Pay rise ever
Deal of the Century
Life changing
Watch this Space
The deal will be ......
There will be a matrix for working fewer Saturdays - you'll have a choice

The plain and simple truth is that we should not have called off the strikes last year - Chamberlain was reborn that day and there has been nothing but appeasement and turning a blind eye since 2007.

Have to agree with you 100% dvb