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Panorama from a DOMS Perspective

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norbert
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Re: Panorama from a DOMS Perspective

Post by norbert »

BELIAL wrote:Team leaders are exactly what you will get with the Dutch model. One FT office based postie prepping 5 walks ready for conveyance to PT delivery posties bag drop points.One team leader covering say 5 of these cluster preppers with his own prep to do as well. Probably call them enhancement and enabling assistants this time round
effectively working from home to neutralise the union :hmmmm - one or two steps up from " Dave " and his white van and advertising flyers / free papers
BELIAL
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Post by BELIAL »

Yep ,ultimately probably heavily casualised. Leaders have a panel to pick from ,phone up on the day depending on traffic . Nice and cheap,no overheads ,super flexible ,impossible to unionise,easily ripped off.
Dutch Model = 86% part time workforce
Bye
wolfie citizen smith
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Post by wolfie citizen smith »

mmax
if you say who you say you are :hmmmm and are disgusted by how royal mail are treating you, then why the bloody hell are you bleeting on about your woes on this forum, eventhough you views are welcome.
Regarding to the Unite letter to all CMA Members dated 22 October 2009, it clearly outlined that that Unite was backing the CWU and clearly outline that if managers felt they were being pressured to undertake work beyond there normal duties then unite will support there claim should royal mail seek to bully or discipline any CMA member.
I would obviously believe that this is a continuous paper and not just dirrected apon the industrial action at the time, as while Acas and the TUC are still active during this period of clam.
Therefore I suggest you get up stand up, stand up for your rights(well that sound catchy :dance) and inform your union that enough is enough!!!!
however you have already taken the blood/sweat and tears money.
you had your chance and the power of the people citizen WILL now over come the spineless attack management force apon all workforce.
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La Poste
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Post by La Poste »

mmax wrote:
General Mannerheim wrote:still £9000 not to be sniffed at.
Not really ....as I challanged that.....no jobs going where I am........ whats with the £9000??
Could someone clarify this please, what is with the £9000 and what's it for.
Cheers.
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music4essex
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Post by music4essex »

"Could someone clarify this please, what is with the £9000 and what's it for."


Its the bonus the dims(Doms) got for saving loads on there budget IE slashing posties jobs asorbtion I think it ranged from about £4000 up to 9000 the posties got £200? pro rata not much difference for doing all the work :arrrghhh

Essex mum
La Poste
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Post by La Poste »

That's a serious bonus. I don't work in deliveries so all this information is new to me.
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dados
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Post by dados »

1 of ours failed the PHG exam (twice) so they made him a manager,now he shuttles between D.O's making a mess of things........................i rest my case
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mmax
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Post by mmax »

wolfie citizen smith wrote:mmax
if you say who you say you are :hmmmm and are disgusted by how royal mail are treating you, then why the bloody hell are you bleeting on about your woes on this forum, eventhough you views are welcome.
Regarding to the Unite letter to all CMA Members dated 22 October 2009, it clearly outlined that that Unite was backing the CWU and clearly outline that if managers felt they were being pressured to undertake work beyond there normal duties then unite will support there claim should royal mail seek to bully or discipline any CMA member.
I would obviously believe that this is a continuous paper and not just dirrected apon the industrial action at the time, as while Acas and the TUC are still active during this period of clam.
Therefore I suggest you get up stand up, stand up for your rights(well that sound catchy :dance) and inform your union that enough is enough!!!!
however you have already taken the blood/sweat and tears money.
you had your chance and the power of the people citizen WILL now over come the spineless attack management force apon all workforce.
wolfie citizen smith... I am who I say I am thanks.... I'm not bleating on as you suggest, Iam just saying how RM are wrong, and I do stand up for my rights.....as I do stand up for the posties rights I work with, and they know it too.

I can assure you that I am not one of those spineless Managers in fact I do listen to my staff... I am not in it to see how I can screw over the staff to look after myself.........no way.... I have to work with my staff day in day out we have a great working and social relationship......yes in other words I do go out and socialise with my staff fantastic.... and why do you think that is?.....yes they know that I am not a two faced spineless manager who only looks after himself


I agree enough is enough blood sweat and tears money?? well put it this way if I have recieved any reward from royal mail as I have I have always made sure the posties have had a reward too, either from me personally, or via the business
mmax
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Post by mmax »

music4essex wrote:"Could someone clarify this please, what is with the £9000 and what's it for."


Its the bonus the dims(Doms) got for saving loads on there budget IE slashing posties jobs asorbtion I think it ranged from about £4000 up to 9000 the posties got £200? pro rata not much difference for doing all the work :arrrghhh

Essex mum
OK lets be honest now....the largest bonus I ever had was £1,800, - tax of course,
OK during the time I was at the office, the posties received an extra £40 per month performance bonus, which they lost prior to me being there.

Bonuses depend on your grade and the office performance.

So bonuses depends on different factors
fishtank
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Post by fishtank »

mmax wrote:
wolfie citizen smith wrote:mmax
if you say who you say you are :hmmmm and are disgusted by how royal mail are treating you, then why the bloody hell are you bleeting on about your woes on this forum, eventhough you views are welcome.
Regarding to the Unite letter to all CMA Members dated 22 October 2009, it clearly outlined that that Unite was backing the CWU and clearly outline that if managers felt they were being pressured to undertake work beyond there normal duties then unite will support there claim should royal mail seek to bully or discipline any CMA member.
I would obviously believe that this is a continuous paper and not just dirrected apon the industrial action at the time, as while Acas and the TUC are still active during this period of clam.
Therefore I suggest you get up stand up, stand up for your rights(well that sound catchy :dance) and inform your union that enough is enough!!!!
however you have already taken the blood/sweat and tears money.
you had your chance and the power of the people citizen WILL now over come the spineless attack management force apon all workforce.
wolfie citizen smith... I am who I say I am thanks.... I'm not bleating on as you suggest, Iam just saying how RM are wrong, and I do stand up for my rights.....as I do stand up for the posties rights I work with, and they know it too.

I can assure you that I am not one of those spineless Managers in fact I do listen to my staff... I am not in it to see how I can screw over the staff to look after myself.........no way.... I have to work with my staff day in day out we have a great working and social relationship......yes in other words I do go out and socialise with my staff fantastic.... and why do you think that is?.....yes they know that I am not a two faced spineless manager who only looks after himself


I agree enough is enough blood sweat and tears money?? well put it this way if I have recieved any reward from royal mail as I have I have always made sure the posties have had a reward too, either from me personally, or via the business
If everything you say is true mmax,and i have no reason to doubt you,then i'm sad to say i don't see much future for you within RM management :sad:
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
Thorby Bislam
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Post by Thorby Bislam »

But DOM and line manager's bonus' is based on their salary. They (you) get a bonus irrespective of how efficient or incompetant they are.

Apart from Wolfie and me, isn't anyone else suspicious of mmax ? He comes on here praising his staff and being critical of RM. Saying the things we'd like to hear. And in doing so tacitly encouraging us to say critical things about RM, (not that we need much encouragement tbf). Does not the term 'agent provocateur' come to mind ? How soon will it be before people get sacked for comments they've made to good ol' mmax ?

Ok, you may think I'm being bitter and cynical, fair comment, but hard won experience has taught me to be cynical about anything a RM manager says.
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La Poste
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Post by La Poste »

Yeah he does sound too good to be true.
"If I ever get a bonus I make sure I share it with my staff" sounds a little dodgy to me.
No I'm not being paranoid, they really are out to get me.
fishtank
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Post by fishtank »

Thorby Bislam wrote:But DOM and line manager's bonus' is based on their salary. They (you) get a bonus irrespective of how efficient or incompetant they are.

Apart from Wolfie and me, isn't anyone else suspicious of mmax ? He comes on here praising his staff and being critical of RM. Saying the things we'd like to hear. And in doing so tacitly encouraging us to say critical things about RM, (not that we need much encouragement tbf). Does not the term 'agent provocateur' come to mind ? How soon will it be before people get sacked for comments they've made to good ol' mmax ?

Ok, you may think I'm being bitter and cynical, fair comment, but hard won experience has taught me to be cynical about anything a RM manager says.

As everyone on this forum knows i don't trust anybody.
RM management or CWU official,there is usually an agenda lurking around there somewhere. :cuppa
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
celerycelery
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Post by celerycelery »

Thorby Bislam wrote:But DOM and line manager's bonus' is based on their salary. They (you) get a bonus irrespective of how efficient or incompetant they are.

Apart from Wolfie and me, isn't anyone else suspicious of mmax ? He comes on here praising his staff and being critical of RM. Saying the things we'd like to hear. And in doing so tacitly encouraging us to say critical things about RM, (not that we need much encouragement tbf). Does not the term 'agent provocateur' come to mind ? How soon will it be before people get sacked for comments they've made to good ol' mmax ?

Ok, you may think I'm being bitter and cynical, fair comment, but hard won experience has taught me to be cynical about anything a RM manager says.
Too farking right. We have had the meeting about not taking photos within the office and sending them or puting them on places like here and also the threat of putting things on facebook as well. Managers will do anything to get rid of staff especially when next year they are going to be expected to make even more cost cutting.
Fluke
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Post by Fluke »

mmax wrote:
wolfie citizen smith wrote:mmax
if you say who you say you are :hmmmm and are disgusted by how royal mail are treating you, then why the bloody hell are you bleeting on about your woes on this forum, eventhough you views are welcome.
Regarding to the Unite letter to all CMA Members dated 22 October 2009, it clearly outlined that that Unite was backing the CWU and clearly outline that if managers felt they were being pressured to undertake work beyond there normal duties then unite will support there claim should royal mail seek to bully or discipline any CMA member.
I would obviously believe that this is a continuous paper and not just dirrected apon the industrial action at the time, as while Acas and the TUC are still active during this period of clam.
Therefore I suggest you get up stand up, stand up for your rights(well that sound catchy :dance) and inform your union that enough is enough!!!!
however you have already taken the blood/sweat and tears money.
you had your chance and the power of the people citizen WILL now over come the spineless attack management force apon all workforce.
wolfie citizen smith... I am who I say I am thanks.... I'm not bleating on as you suggest, Iam just saying how RM are wrong, and I do stand up for my rights.....as I do stand up for the posties rights I work with, and they know it too.

I can assure you that I am not one of those spineless Managers in fact I do listen to my staff... I am not in it to see how I can screw over the staff to look after myself.........no way.... I have to work with my staff day in day out we have a great working and social relationship......yes in other words I do go out and socialise with my staff fantastic.... and why do you think that is?.....yes they know that I am not a two faced spineless manager who only looks after himself


I agree enough is enough blood sweat and tears money?? well put it this way if I have recieved any reward from royal mail as I have I have always made sure the posties have had a reward too, either from me personally, or via the business
I dont believe you are who you say you are, you maybe a manager (female at a guess, bv the way you come across and the language you have used), I agree with what others have said. You should be out in the light standing up for whats right not, not hiding in the shadows of a bulletin board telling everyone to keep up the good fight,