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Political Correctness

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goinpostal
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Post by goinpostal »

Spartacus wrote:We have now reached the point where every goon with a grievance, every bitter bigot, merely has to place the prefix, 'I know this is not politically correct, but...' in front of the usual string of insults in order to be not just safe from criticism, but actually a card, a lad, even a hero. Conversely, to talk about poverty and inequality, to draw attention to the reality that discrimination and injustice are still facts of life, is to commit the sin of political correctness. Anti-PC has become the latest cover for creeps. It is a godsend for every curmudgeon and crank, from fascists to the merely smug. Finian O'Toole.
Hail spartacus you speak truth!

we shouldn't forget that political correctness was made up in the late 70's by the same people who brought you "the unions are too powerful" and "there is no alternative to the market" the left are all "dinosaurs" etc ie thatcher reagan murdoch etc.

To them it was a way of mobilisng people around rightwing ideas and dividng and confusing the workers movement. its jsuta a way of saying lets go back to the days when we can have a bit of sexist banter or use racist language or make fun of gay people.

Who have we got more in common with? the other workers in our offices from Africa and Eastern Europe or Crozier and Leighton? Should we argue to forget the strike and try to get them the sack instead, british jobs for british people? we'd really be screwed then, the injustice and racism of it aside..

its our Unite and Fight, or its the bosses Divide and Rule. there's no other path. the BNP is a wheel bolted on the rightside of the mainstream parties to divide and rule the working class when they don't have the authority to do it themselves anymore, trying to make us fight each other for the crumbs instead of uniting against the bosses to fight for the things we need.

Somone said to me last week that ther is only 20% of the number of council housing that existed in 1980, because of sell-offs and none being built - not because 80% of council housing got filled up with asylum seekers.

In private finance deals to build hospitals today the new PFI hospitals have on average one third less beds. So do we have one third less because asylum seekers are lying in them? no because of the rip off corrupt deals of the government adn big business to slash one half of our services and privatise and profit off of the other half - we should understand that as posties, where half the market is being opened up to profit and Royal Mail is being destroyed bit by bit.

There is a lot of crap in royal mail management etc - why? because its holow and hypocritical, they only started carring about bullying in my DO when it meant they could kick out people they saw as troublemakers and to try to curry favour wiht certin members and divide us. They aren't realy anti-racist etc. they couldn't give a toss about defending black people or gays
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Post by evilc »

goinpostal wrote:
Spartacus wrote:We have now reached the point where every goon with a grievance, every bitter bigot, merely has to place the prefix, 'I know this is not politically correct, but...' in front of the usual string of insults in order to be not just safe from criticism, but actually a card, a lad, even a hero. Conversely, to talk about poverty and inequality, to draw attention to the reality that discrimination and injustice are still facts of life, is to commit the sin of political correctness. Anti-PC has become the latest cover for creeps. It is a godsend for every curmudgeon and crank, from fascists to the merely smug. Finian O'Toole.
Hail spartacus you speak truth!

we shouldn't forget that political correctness was made up in the late 70's by the same people who brought you "the unions are too powerful" and "there is no alternative to the market" the left are all "dinosaurs" etc ie thatcher reagan murdoch etc.

To them it was a way of mobilisng people around rightwing ideas and dividng and confusing the workers movement. its jsuta a way of saying lets go back to the days when we can have a bit of sexist banter or use racist language or make fun of gay people.

Who have we got more in common with? the other workers in our offices from Africa and Eastern Europe or Crozier and Leighton? Should we argue to forget the strike and try to get them the sack instead, british jobs for british people? we'd really be screwed then, the injustice and racism of it aside..

its our Unite and Fight, or its the bosses Divide and Rule. there's no other path. the BNP is a wheel bolted on the rightside of the mainstream parties to divide and rule the working class when they don't have the authority to do it themselves anymore, trying to make us fight each other for the crumbs instead of uniting against the bosses to fight for the things we need.

Somone said to me last week that ther is only 20% of the number of council housing that existed in 1980, because of sell-offs and none being built - not because 80% of council housing got filled up with asylum seekers.

In private finance deals to build hospitals today the new PFI hospitals have on average one third less beds. So do we have one third less because asylum seekers are lying in them? no because of the rip off corrupt deals of the government adn big business to slash one half of our services and privatise and profit off of the other half - we should understand that as posties, where half the market is being opened up to profit and Royal Mail is being destroyed bit by bit.

There is a lot of crap in royal mail management etc - why? because its holow and hypocritical, they only started carring about bullying in my DO when it meant they could kick out people they saw as troublemakers and to try to curry favour wiht certin members and divide us. They aren't realy anti-racist etc. they couldn't give a toss about defending black people or gays
This is getting too deep for me. :roll:
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Post by goinpostal »

sorry bout that infodump, weve just been leafletting against BNP in last month and have had these arguments on doorsteps and at work 100s of times! :oops:
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Post by ROCKY »

sorry cant agree the bnp do make a few valid points the p/c crap has to stop before we all become prisoners in our own homes too afraid to leave in case we cause offense,not that there are any prison cells left to send us to,immigration has to stop to give the country's infrastructure to catch up,schools,hospitals,roads etc,and i refuse to be anything but proud of been English and stuff this national guilt we are all supposed to feel
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Post by KawasakiKid »

ROCKY wrote:sorry cant agree the bnp do make a few valid points the p/c crap has to stop before we all become prisoners in our own homes too afraid to leave in case we cause offense,not that there are any prison cells left to send us to,immigration has to stop to give the country's infrastructure to catch up,schools,hospitals,roads etc,and i refuse to be anything but proud of been English and stuff this national guilt we are all supposed to feel
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Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

ROCKY wrote:sorry cant agree the bnp do make a few valid points the p/c crap has to stop before we all become prisoners in our own homes too afraid to leave in case we cause offense,not that there are any prison cells left to send us to,immigration has to stop to give the country's infrastructure to catch up,schools,hospitals,roads etc,and i refuse to be anything but proud of been English and stuff this national guilt we are all supposed to feel
Even a broken clock tells the truth twice a day. As for the infrastructure, you should have a word with my missus. The NHS up here couldn't cope without foreign staff. I don't feel any national guilt. The ruling class can feel that seeing as it was them who exploited a quarter of the world's population including this one. Proud of being English? It's only an accident of birth, but Im quite proud of those people who helped defeat the Nazis in 1945. So I wouldn't vote for these Nazis who try to hide behind the Union Flag.
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Post by kinmad4it »

I don't know why, but it does seem frowned upon to be proud of being English. Why is it only English though. Not every Englishman is a doc martin wearing skin head marching down the street doing Nazi salutes while goose stepping.
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Post by L Tommo »

LOONY LEFT THINK TANKS!!! STUDENTS WITH FECK ALL ELSE TO DO!!!! POLITICAL PEOPLE WITH AN AGENDA!!!! THE LACK OF FREE SPEECH!!!!

DO GOODERS!!! ARSEHOLES WHO ARE SCARED SHITLESS THAT HITLER AND THE NAZIS ARE ROUND THE CORNER!!! ALL GET IN THE WAY OF MOVING ON,

LIVING TOGETHER WITH DIFFERENT CULTURES AND COLOURED PEOPLES.... BUT NOW ITS TIME TO STOP ILLEGALS FLOODING THIS COUNTRY!!!

Im not asking for a cull or "get em all out" attitude.. that old s**t NF stuff... All i ask for is free speech.. It dont matter who i vote for or wot i believe if the country moves on.. for the best... But its not!!!! and immigration IS a problem!!! We all know it....


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Post by PHP »

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:The NHS up here couldn't cope without foreign staff.
Many of those doctors and nurses come from developing countries that need them far more than we do. Also, one of the main reasons we need so many more doctors and nurses is because of the explosion in population, which is solely due to mass immigration.

I agree with ROCKY, we need to halt all immigration in order to give our services a chance to catch up. I also refuse to be anything else but proud of being English.
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Post by DGP1 »


IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
The NHS up here couldn't cope without foreign staff.


Many of those doctors and nurses come from developing countries that need them far more than we do. Also, one of the main reasons we need so many more doctors and nurses is because of the explosion in population which is solely due to mass immigration.

I agree with ROCKY, we need to halt all immigration in order to give our services a chance to catch up. I also refuse to be anything else but proud of being English.
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Post by kinmad4it »

I agree wholeheartedly with stopping all immigration. Well, not a total stop, but certainly stopping those that see Britain as a soft touch and have no intention of making a meaningful contribution, or even getting a job at the very least.
We already have a huge housing problem in this country. More people will only exacerbate the problem.
Our health service is spread too thin and can't cope. More people will only exacerbate the problem.
Our education system doesn't the kids a real chance. More people will only exacerbate the problem.
Coming over here without speaking English means more money is wasted on translating and translators. What contribution can you make when you can't communicate.
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Post by ROCKY »

NHS CANT COPE WITHOUT FOREIGN STAFF I KNOW BUT THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THE POPULATION HAS INCREASED WITHOUT BUILDING UP THE STAFF TO DEAL WITH IT,OUR SCHOOLS NEED TEACHERS FROM ABROAD TO DEAL WITH THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN SPEAKING WHO KNOWS HOW MANY LINGOS BECAUSE OF A LACK OF STAFF AND SCHOOLS WHILST THE GOVT CANT DECIDE WHAT OUR CHILDREN SHOULD LEARN,HOW TO FILL IN A BANK ACCOUNT WAS ON THE NEWS YESTERDAY WHILST INCREASING NUMBERS LEAVE SCHOOL UNABLE TO READ AND WRITE PROPERLY
OUR MOTORWAYS AND ROADS ARE FULL TO CHOKE POINT BUT IT COSTS 10 MILLION TO BUILD AN INCH OF MOTORWAY SOLUTION LETS SLOW PEOPLE DOWN AND THEN FINE THEM(TAX)IF THEY GO TOO FAST
HOUSING MY HOME IS NOW WORTH OVER 3 TIMES WHAT I PAID FOR IT 6 YEARS AGO AND I PANICKED AT PAYING THAT, SOLUTION THE GOVT IS GOING TO BUILD 70,000 NEW HOMES FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS MOST OF THEM ON MY DEL KNOWING MY LUCK,BUT WHO PAYS FOR THEM WE THE TAX PAYER ARE GOING TO BE BUYING HOMES FOR OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY YET
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Post by strangler »

kinmad4it wrote:I agree wholeheartedly with stopping all immigration. Well, not a total stop, but certainly stopping those that see Britain as a soft touch and have no intention of making a meaningful contribution, or even getting a job at the very least.
We already have a huge housing problem in this country. More people will only exacerbate the problem.
Our health service is spread too thin and can't cope. More people will only exacerbate the problem.
Our education system doesn't the kids a real chance. More people will only exacerbate the problem.
Coming over here without speaking English means more money is wasted on translating and translators. What contribution can you make when you can't communicate.
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Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

Sparksy wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:The NHS up here couldn't cope without foreign staff.
Many of those doctors and nurses come from developing countries that need them far more than we do. Also, one of the main reasons we need so many more doctors and nurses is because of the explosion in population, which is solely due to mass immigration.
Nothing to do with the Pope banning contraception then? If there is a population explosion, someone should tell the education authorities. They've closed down two secondary schools and several primary schools in the last few years because of 'falling rolls'.
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Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

Immigration myths
Myth Immigrants jump housing queues and live in squalid, overcrowded housing.

Fact Most immigrants live in cities that contain plenty of empty houses – London alone has 70,000.

Myth Immigrants take ‘English’ jobs.

Fact Asylum seekers can’t work or pay tax until their cases are sorted out. And immigrants contribute 10% more to the economy in tax and national insurance than they take in benefits and services, says a Home Office study.

Myth Immigrants are draining health and social services.

Fact Most asylum seekers are only entitled to emergency health care. And our hospitals rely on immigrant labour: nearly a quarter of NHS doctors and half of all NHS nurses were born outside the UK. Despite there being 90,000 vacancies in health and social care, thousands of refugees with appropriate skills are prevented from working here. And of the 15.5 million people in the UK on benefits, excluding retirement pensions, only 0.5% are asylum seekers.

Myth Immigrants are to blame for rising crime.

Fact Immigrants are more likely to be the victims of crime. A 2004 report showed a 75% increase in racist attacks in Scotland alone. Refugees and asylum seekers were the main targets.

http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites ... ism/3.html
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