YOU SHOULDNT GET PAID!!!!

[robbo98]

Instead of dicking about on your dad's computer, don't you think you should be asking your English teacher for some extra homework?

very poetic indeed assuming i am actually "dicking around on my dads computer ", very damming to ones intellect to make silly assumptions wouldn't you say?

see an earlier quote from my self, for your ease... here it is

i understand your rage at anyone one who would play down your "problems" but! please if you must do so keep the "serious" stuff "relevant"

EDIT** would you think better of me if i said, F the old people waiting for there giros, hospital appointments ect, pregnant women, countless business losing money in today's economy... because you are getting bullied and don't know how to deal with it?

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Instead of dicking about on your dad's computer, don't you think you should be asking your English teacher for some extra homework?

very poetic indeed but!, very damming to ones intellect wouldn't you say?

see an earlier quote from my self, for your ease... here it is

i understand your rage at anyone one who would play down your "problems" but! please if you must do so keep the "serious" stuff "relevant"

I'm no intellectual, but I can make a decent stab at basic English. 'Your view on the situation for what it's worth?' It's worth nothing because you know nothing about it. You might as well hold a view on the Five Points of Calvinism, Trasubstatiation, Consubstantiation, Alienation, the 10 metre rule at the 'play-the-ball'. By the way 'Caps Lock' is on the left hand side of the keyboard.

[robbo98]

peeeew

once again i must stress using the caps-lock at the left side of my keyboard for your EASE (thank you by the way)

i understand your rage at anyone one who would play down your "problems" but! please if you must do so keep the "serious" stuff "relevant"

would you think better of me if i said, F the old people waiting for there giros, hospital appointments ect, pregnant women, countless business losing money in today's economy... because you are getting bullied and don't know how to deal with it?

[norbert]

Instead of dicking about on your dad's computer, don't you think you should be asking your English teacher for some extra homework?

very poetic indeed but!, very damming to ones intellect wouldn't you say?

see an earlier quote from my self, for your ease... here it is

i understand your rage at anyone one who would play down your "problems" but! please if you must do so keep the "serious" stuff "relevant"

I'm no intellectual, but I can make a decent stab at basic English. 'Your view on the situation for what it's worth?' It's worth nothing because you know nothing about it. You might as well hold a view on the Five Points of Calvinism, Trasubstatiation, Consubstantiation, Alienation, the 10 metre rule at the 'play-the-ball'. By the way 'Caps Lock' is on the left hand side of the keyboard.

Apparently all this misspelling and bad grammar is something to do with changing the Education system . Apparently the old system wasn't trendy or too stuffy so the new " idea " was to do a phonetic style or as pronounced .

That's why you get seam instead of seem , a seam as in " a seam of coal "

For instance as a kid we'd spelling tests , rules about the i before the e etc were rammed into us - parrot style or rote fashion , same goes for Grammar Rules . We were told it would be bread and butter and no jam if you will .

The Newspapers were better written and not everyone believed every word in them , less dumbing down and over simplifying things to the point of stupidity .

What makes me laugh about other people coming on here and telling Postmen that they're all in the wrong from outside the industry is that their employers can't have been that fussy about application forms , covering letters and CV's going by the standard of spelling & grammar ???

[robbo98]

can we please please do this and not stray from the issue at hand... for the love of god!! your efforts to discredit me among your community for feeble issues will be in vain to any body with reason reading this i assure you

i understand your rage at anyone one who would play down your "problems" but! please if you must do so keep the "serious" stuff "relevant"

you stated you were being bullied and this is the main issue, but this is hardly a valid reason to strike now is it... or is it?

EDIT** i must point out that was a statement ONE made as a whole for the lot of you, true...false? one wonders

[wandomwilly]

what is with the random emoticons? im making a valid point here, nobody who isnt working even to strike, even when it will seriously damage small businesses and people around the uk, in light of all thats said i understand people may feel light there being bullied, but i cant help think are you all just being weak. crawling along the tarmac like little vermin complaining about there existance in there work force. stand up for yourselfs and lets get the country's mail system back to scratch before christmas is completely messedup by a bunch people round up by some so called union stirring this crap up and putting thoughts in peoples heads...... i am angry at the royal mail work force, i am even more angry with the cwu for thinking its ok to try and take legal action against royalmail for taking on 33000 temp workers to give a bit or normality back to the mail system for the angry people in small businesses and average folk in the uk...... sort it out and do the better thing.

[emanon66]

Wandomwilly, it is ILLEGAL for an employer to employ temporary workers to do the work of individuals involved in OFFICIAL INDUSTRIAL ACTION, Royal Mail may claim they are only employed to clear the backlog and deal with the oncoming Christmas period, if so, and you can do the math here for me, why in 2007 after Industrial Action did they only employ 15000 of said workers when we are constantly being told that mail volumes are dropping by 10% per year, by their figures that would mean we are dealing with 20% less mail this year as opposed to 2007 and yet they chose to employ 100% MORE TEMPORARY WORKERS. Can you figure out why? well I can and the whole membership of the CWU can and that is why they're being took to court. :mfo

[wandomwilly]

Illegal or not, fairplay to those temp workers, there at least working for the sake of those small and large businesses also average folk included, so at least the post will resume and have at least a couple gifts arrive on time along with vital letters. Don't victimize the nation just because you so call posties think you can strike and still get a wage, sod the cwu they don't like the temps as they are doing the right thing by sorting the backlog of letters, and there is a backlog at the WRONG time of year. Also if the royalmail is starting to get less and less mail, it's because of all you posties the cwu causing a big fuss over lil boys and girls believeing there still at school stirring crap about to get a couple days off work. If your getting bullied big woopidoodar, stop bullying the nation, the uk is sick of it. You should all be ashamed, if it was up to the nation as a whole you would all be sacked and those temps would get full time jobs.

[kwf166]

Illegal or not, fairplay to those temp workers, there at least working for the sake of those small and large businesses also average folk included, so at least the post will resume and have at least a couple gifts arrive on time along with vital letters. Don't victimize the nation just because you so call posties think you can strike and still get a wage, sod the cwu they don't like the temps as they are doing the right thing by sorting the backlog of letters, and there is a backlog at the WRONG time of year. Also if the royalmail is starting to get less and less mail, it's because of all you posties the cwu causing a big fuss over lil boys and girls believeing there still at school stirring crap about to get a couple days off work. If your getting bullied big woopidoodar, stop bullying the nation, the uk is sick of it. You should all be ashamed, if it was up to the nation as a whole you would all be sacked and those temps would get full time jobs.

Again you are speaking for the whole of the uk with your own minority views, while we are on strike, I REPEAT WE DO NOT GET PAID you also go on about about small businesses, why do you think we are on strike, we are trying to save the public service, and you state temps will get full time jobs, royal mail want to get rid of full timers, you obviously haven't got a clue what is going on, I suggest you should really do a research before jumping the gun

[wandomwilly]

now you all are getting childish with your "BULLY" like remarks, yes i am speaking the the most of the uk, we are all angry your spitting your dummy out at the wrong time of year. pretty soon you will all be the cause of the royalmail's destruction and we will all use alternative mail service providers......

[emanon66]

now you all are getting childish with your "BULLY" like remarks, yes i am speaking the the most of the uk, we are all angry your spitting your dummy out at the wrong time of year. pretty soon you will all be the cause of the royalmail's destruction and we will all use alternative mail service providers......

.........well perhaps you could name a few of these alternative mail service providers who deliver to EVERY address in the UK?

[norbert]

now you all are getting childish with your "BULLY" like remarks, yes i am speaking the the most of the uk, we are all angry your spitting your dummy out at the wrong time of year. pretty soon you will all be the cause of the royalmail's destruction and we will all use alternative mail service providers......

.........well perhaps you could name a few of these alternative mail service providers who deliver to EVERY address in the UK?

patronizing ,insulting , ill - informed , displaying breath - taking ignorance , arrogant , sanctimonious rubbish from the OP .

The reasons for the strike which are complex and involved have been posted up on this site . This is a union room , there is a section for customers .

Staff simply don't trust RM's hypocritical and corrupt sham of a H&B policy . Bullying is rife due to RM's obsession with budgets and targets & Dictatorial approach and is excaberated by a manager's bonus system for a destructive slash & burn policy .

There is no or little confidence in RM's middle and senior management - the same managers that lacked the expertise to run a postal operation and have failed to take staff with them and motivate according to the Hooper Report . Lord Mandelson stated that these managers came from a genetically deficient gene pool .

RM has traditionally been a bullying organization , the Lord Sawyer report stated that the managerial culture dated back to WW2 Demobilisation days at worst and the 60's at best .

Even Paul Reuter of the Communication Manager's Association has been scathingly critical of RM's senior managers deploring the amount of Bullying , Harassment and Intimidation directed at his members ; denouncing RM as a arrogant organization with a outdated 70's Car Factory Command & Control style . This overtly regimented and top down approach works it's way down the food chain to some poorly trained , unprofessional junior managers with little or no people skills .

Even CEO Adam Crozier stated that a third of his managers were below average , one third average , the rest very good at The Business Insider Awards Meeting . One RM memo stated that a sizable proportion of it's managers ran a " command and ignore " system and lacked the skills to take their teams forward , suggesting that retraining or compulsory redundancy was the only solution .

There was also that very unprofessional looking Powerpoint Document that was leaked - unveiling plans to de-recognize the CWU - if that isn't reason to strike , nothing is ? . There's also problems with trust and morale due to lies , half truths and spin from RM's propaganda machine that would have made Hitler's Nazi Party blush with embarrassment .

If you don't stand up to RM you get pushed around - end of , unfortunately you have to strike as it's the only language that RM understand .

[robbo98]

.........well perhaps you could name a few of these alternative mail service providers who deliver to EVERY address in the UK?

so what your vaguely insinuating is...because you responsible for a very very high percent of the united kingdoms mail. you can throw a wobbler for what ever small reason you deem necessary to blow out of all proportions?

if you are unsure of your rights in the work place may i make a friendly suggestion that you visit your local CAB

are you sure this isn't just about the money?

there is a section for customers

one of the many magic things about these forum systems is that admin may move threads to what ever section they wish, why don't you request this?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

so what your vaguely insinuating is...because you responsible for a very very high percent of the united kingdoms mail. you can throw a wobbler for what ever small reason you deem necessary to blow out of all proportions?

if you are unsure of your rights in the work place may i make a friendly suggestion that you visit your local CAB

are you sure this isn't just about the money?

How many times do we have to say this.

Its not about money - it is about B&H and we have attempted to argue our case with the managers of this firm, from local to the CEO for the last 18 months. They denied everything and even disciplined people who raised concerns through the proper channels.

RM kept ignoring our concerns, we started to take local action that did not affect deliveries but the agreement between the CWU and RM in the workplace. The still ignored us.

So local units mots affected asked and received permission to hold legal ballots for legal Industrial Action. Royal Mail ignored our concerns and glossed over them.

We asked for independent bodies to come in an assess the working conditions and management practices that may be causing the situation. Royal Mail refused.

500 Local offices asked for local ballots all for various reasons but mainly because of institutional bullying and RM ignoring national and local agreements. Royal Mail denies there was a problem and continued with all the un-agreed practices.

What was our next choice as far as I can see we exhausted all avenues and some even got punished for doing that, we then as a last resort decided to ask for a National Ballot which was supported by an absolute majority of CWU members.

Now all this has been posted many times on this forum but as you are quite clearly biased in your view, as am I, I would not expect you to read through it all, but you could have the decency to accept that the Union is not completely to blame for this mess Royal Mail must bear some of the responsibility as well.

We have people of 18 all the way up to 65 and we have 120,000 union members involved in the strike, and you think its a childish strop. Good to see you have an open mind and want to debate the issue - NOT.

[steven100]

People, WE ARE NOT ON STRIKE FOR MONEY. We realise that we are in recession and getting a pay rise just isn't feasible at the moment. One reason why RM managers have been paid large bonuses for hitting targets, not your daily postman that gets up at 4am to mail to your houses in all weather conditions.
For managers to reach these targets bullying and harassing postal workers have been a daily occurence in office all over country, i will say not in my office.
Walks where we deliver have been increased to a unsatifactory level where completing on time we'd have to be Ben Johnston and taking drugs. RM target is 4mph for 3 and half hours to 4 hours with a heavy bag, sorry public is just isn't feasinble.
Another problem occurs with the government refusing to take on our pension, the pension which the government have created.
They is many more problems but the list goes on and on and on and on.

If you want RM to stay in a public service you should be backing us with this action, if your interested in a privatise business where profits come before public, don't back us. But realise when RM goes lots of things will occur, increase in sending letters, packets and xmas cards. Sadly affecting lots of older people who aren't computer literate of don't have large pensions.

KEEP RM IN THE PUBLIC, BACK YOUR POSTMAN AND THE CWU.