All out not ruled out

Cut Off King · Post by **Cut Off King** » 17 Oct 2009, 10:06

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"If the government and Royal Mail refuse to meet demands for independent arbitration, Mr Hayes said an indefinite stoppage by 120,000 postal workers angry at Royal Mail’s plans for reforms was possible."

Night Tonic · Post by **Night Tonic** » 17 Oct 2009, 10:15

yeah right billy boy. I can just see that. Out of options then.

pickaname · Post by **pickaname** » 17 Oct 2009, 10:45

The threat of an indefinite stoppage is a great move.

shimmyrule · Post by **shimmyrule** » 17 Oct 2009, 11:05

short term pain, long term gain.
short sharp shock, in my opinion, is the best way, far better than a day here an there.

Billy boy is getting brave.

Post by **simonj12** » 17 Oct 2009, 11:31

If the CWU are just asking for independant arbitration instead of specific terms and conditions then that should increase public support by negating any possibility of the government and RM challenging and slandering specific terms and conditions.
I also think that it's worth adding that unlike the striking miners in the past, striking RM employees will be spread out across the length and breadth of the country. Whereas most miners were concentrated in "pit estates". This will make it harder for chief editors of newspapers and news agencies to marginalise them. Also alot more of the population in this country will know someone connected to the strike. So imo it will be impossible for the government to brush it under the carpet.

The FraudSquad · Post by **The FraudSquad** » 17 Oct 2009, 12:58

instead of six days over six weeks, why not just one full week every six weeks!!!!! Which would have most impact?

Cheetah · Post by **Cheetah** » 17 Oct 2009, 13:15

A tricky one this, me personally would be in favour of it but our office is classed as a strong office by area, yet i hear a worrying percentage cribbing about they can't afford it.... At the end of the day we must keep them on side.... Carefully co-ordinated strike days can have a massive effect i.e for example distribution/ processing out fri, delivery out sat, distribution/processing out mon delivery out tues. NO overtime performed on any of these days and all employees only loosing one day per week. They wouldnt know what to do with the back log after that and next to nothing would have gone out over a five day period.... Just a thought

OnAFlyer · Post by **OnAFlyer** » 17 Oct 2009, 14:01

Cheetah wrote:A tricky one this, me personally would be in favour of it but our office is classed as a strong office by area, yet i hear a worrying percentage cribbing about they can't afford it.... At the end of the day we must keep them on side.... Carefully co-ordinated strike days can have a massive effect i.e for example distribution/ processing out fri, delivery out sat, distribution/processing out mon delivery out tues. NO overtime performed on any of these days and all employees only loosing one day per week. They wouldnt know what to do with the back log after that and next to nothing would have gone out over a five day period.... Just a thought

Last time we were on strike, if you strike on the monday you lose it from the previous weeks wages - another underhand RM tactic.

All out won't work for longer than a week or so, there are too many posties who are the sole breadwinners - and i'm sorry but you can't live on nothing.

kwikpost · Post by **kwikpost** » 17 Oct 2009, 14:29

you lot that are so keen for an all out strike can i just ask how much you've lost up till now.??

Post by **Godric** » 17 Oct 2009, 14:39

Cheetah wrote:A tricky one this, me personally would be in favour of it but our office is classed as a strong office by area, yet i hear a worrying percentage cribbing about they can't afford it.... At the end of the day we must keep them on side.... Carefully co-ordinated strike days can have a massive effect i.e for example distribution/ processing out fri, delivery out sat, distribution/processing out mon delivery out tues. NO overtime performed on any of these days and all employees only loosing one day per week. They wouldnt know what to do with the back log after that and next to nothing would have gone out over a five day period.... Just a thought

a all out strike would be a disaster, folk can't afford to go all out mortgages, credit cards etc, we have 25 posties in our office, i could guarantee by the end of the week their would be 5 or 6 going through the picket line and by the end of second week 10 - 15 would be back working, rolling strikes are the only way to go if you want to keep everyone onside IMHO

opgpat · Post by **opgpat** » 17 Oct 2009, 14:52

I think this is being offered as a possibility becasue RM think it's great that we do 1-2 days pw, their leaked plan show on Newsnight shows they don't care and will hold on as long as it goes like that.

We do need to do more than 1 day each pw but all out is too costly and ho many will break it? 3days pw would be sustainable (?) and would do more damage than 'all out' with 30% eventually comming in after their paycheck with ZERO on it comes through the door. Actually it won't come through the door will it.

westlondonpostie · Post by **westlondonpostie** » 17 Oct 2009, 14:53

kwikpost wrote:you lot that are so keen for an all out strike can i just ask how much you've lost up till now.??

Been out since the start, minus the first strike due to a technical/legal issue with the ballot. Don't even keep account of how many days I've been out, just don't want to think how much money I've lost,
but this is a battle we can not afford to lose!

pickaname · Post by **pickaname** » 17 Oct 2009, 14:58

I said the THREAT of all out is a great move.

I doubt it will come to that though.

At least the union are sending a strong, comprehensive message that they would consider it if they had no other options.

Cut Off King · Post by **Cut Off King** » 17 Oct 2009, 15:13

We have seen the plan

D2D payments scrapped

So if RM win then your going to lose about 2 days pay a month from now until you retire !

Thats about £1200 per year ( BASED ON 3 ITEMS P/W - - WITHOUT THE UNION IT'LL BE MORE LIKE 8-10 ITEMS P/W )

Add on everything else they'd like to remove i.e.- NDA / Good Friday Pay / Driving allowance / early start allowance / Overtime ban

Add on the UNPAID overtime you would be EXPECTED to do , or face the sack for "not working hard enough"

THINK LONGTERM......LOSE AND IT'LL COST YOU MORE

Funked! · Post by **Funked!** » 17 Oct 2009, 18:26

Cut Off King wrote:We have seen the plan

D2D payments scrapped

So if RM win then your going to lose about 2 days pay a month from now until you retire !

Thats about £1200 per year ( BASED ON 3 ITEMS P/W - - WITHOUT THE UNION IT'LL BE MORE LIKE 8-10 ITEMS P/W )

Add on everything else they'd like to remove i.e.- NDA / Good Friday Pay / Driving allowance / early start allowance / Overtime ban

Add on the UNPAID overtime you would be EXPECTED to do , or face the sack for "not working hard enough"

THINK LONGTERM......LOSE AND IT'LL COST YOU MORE

Couldn't agree more.
Wake up some of you, long term they want to take loads £££££££££££££ off us!!

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