Damned Statistics

[k979aaa]

You certainly are doomed brother Carnoustie if you start getting taken in by RM hogwash

The 'we're all doomed' thing was my attempt at irony, Belial. I haven't been taken in, I was just typing my random musings on the subject of the level of profit vs the turnover it was derived from.

Easiest thing in the world to move numbers around on a balance sheet to show exactly the picture you want, take a look at Gldman Sachs; Enron; Lehmans;RBS;AIG;bored now

I know. I have friends who work in the finance industry.

But the figures quoted must be the same ones that RM presented to the CWU, to attempt to justify the decision to implement a pay freeze. If the union believes the true financial position of the group is nowhere near as black as it's being painted, why haven't we been balloted for strike action on the issue of pay ? We should be DEMANDING a pay rise but I haven't heard anything from the CWU on that score, and it's been weeks since RM set out their position

The CWU moves at it's own pace even we the membership cannot move it any faster than we want even though it must!. But take hart branches up and down the land are balloting us all soon their will be more ballots and action than royalmail nor the headquarters of the CWU can deal with!. It just takes time have faith and hart and fortitude and most importantly of all UNITY!.

[haveagojoe]

I don,t really understand the finance side of things all I know is what I put on my back each and every day is getting heavier and heavier. I,ve said this before but why do you think they removed the scales from DO's, when we were told to stop wieghing (before the scales went) I carried on and after three or four weeks produced figures from various weeks in that year and comparable weeks from two years earlier to the cluster manager which showed a gradual increase in traffic not a decline, but would he belive it would he sh**e
When are they going to stop telling us this bulls**t or do they think if they carry on long enough we will in the end be brainwashed into beleiving this crap ourselves, it all boils down to making the buisiness look bad for the taxpayer in order to sell it off.

[randompostman]

Or is all debate to be stifled on this forum and all posters must desist from having an alternative viewpoint ?[/quote]

no way should debate be stifled but the powers that be have lied to me and i assume you all our of lives and fixed numbers to prove there point for everything from shop prices polltax voting petrol laws security and all the rest and why because there is money to be made. people think slavery was abolished in england 200 hundred odd years ago but we are as much slaves now as then we are just a bit more comfortable now than then and dont have the shackles that were made of metal then but money now dont believe me then tell your kids they cant have there named trainers or the mrs she cant go to bingo see the reaction and watch how fast you go into overtime and the bosses still go around saying we should be grateful to have a job with less money. i say the noose around my necks being tightened so is that debate enough for you/

[shaunman]

I have decided to return my courier to sender in future!

[BELIAL]

Or is all debate to be stifled on this forum and all posters must desist from having an alternative viewpoint ?

no way should debate be stifled but the powers that be have lied to me and i assume you all our of lives and fixed numbers to prove there point for everything from shop prices polltax voting petrol laws security and all the rest and why because there is money to be made. people think slavery was abolished in england 200 hundred odd years ago but we are as much slaves now as then we are just a bit more comfortable now than then and dont have the shackles that were made of metal then but money now dont believe me then tell your kids they cant have there named trainers or the mrs she cant go to bingo see the reaction and watch how fast you go into overtime and the bosses still go around saying we should be grateful to have a job with less money. i say the noose around my necks being tightened so is that debate enough for you/[/quote]
Why use a ball and chain when you can call it a mortgage? Beauty is ,you can lengthen or shorten the chain at the flick of an interest rate

[brothermagrew]

Brother randompostman a very wee slight but significant observation as to your statement people think slavery was abolished in England 200 odd years ago.

In the space of some 46 years, between 1787 and 1833, Britain had not only outlawed the slave trade but also abolished slavery throughout her colonial possessions.

[randompostman]

Brother randompostman a very wee slight but significant observation as to your statement people think slavery was abolished in England 200 odd years ago - WRONG

In the space of some 46 years, between 1787 and 1833, Britain had not only outlawed the slave trade but also abolished slavery throughout her colonial possessions.

200 odd years would bring us to about 1809 about in the middle of the the 2 dates you put up and i did say odd not exact so what am i so wrong about there and i also say i believe that its still here in England now and that is what i think other than what i wrote in the other post i could say prostitution from girls and boys shipped in from around the globe locked in rooms with no chance of escape now is slavery and is in every city and town in england servants from around the forced to work for next to nothing and beaten and passports talen is slavery and is here in england now, cockle farmers remember the ones that were killed by there gang masters in the north were slaves i think the list just gos on and on just because something is eligal does not mean its gone away so please look at what i wrote again and dont bother with the until you do it properly.

[Carnoustie]

Why use a ball and chain when you can call it a mortgage? Beauty is ,you can lengthen or shorten the chain at the flick of an interest rate

Well, yes, a large percentage of people are slaves to their mortgage, but there is one big difference between being financially shackled and true slavery: many of those who disagreed with Thatcher and her policy of allowing people to buy their council house WILLINGLY did so as soon as they got a sniff of how much money they thought they could make
They could have continued being council tenants and never put that shackle on themselves. But no, their personal greed outweighed their political principles and now all our kids are saddled with never having a snowball-in-hell's chance of a council house, consigning future generations to that shackle of a mortgage, or paying extortionate rents with private landlords

[brothermagrew]

Brother randompostman a very wee slight but significant observation as to your statement people think slavery was abolished in England 200 odd years ago - WRONG

In the space of some 46 years, between 1787 and 1833, Britain had not only outlawed the slave trade but also abolished slavery throughout her colonial possessions.

200 odd years would bring us to about 1809 about in the middle of the the 2 dates you put up and i did say odd not exact so what am i so wrong about there and i also say i believe that its still here in England now and that is what i think other than what i wrote in the other post i could say prostitution from girls and boys shipped in from around the globe locked in rooms with no chance of escape now is slavery and is in every city and town in england servants from around the forced to work for next to nothing and beaten and passports talen is slavery and is here in england now, cockle farmers remember the ones that were killed by there gang masters in the north were slaves i think the list just gos on and on just because something is eligal does not mean its gone away so please look at what i wrote again and dont bother with the until you do it properly.

Brother I totally understand the main gist of your posting and in one in which I am mostly in agreement with, and I can on re-reading what you had wrote see that yes as a statement slavery was indeed abolished in England 200 odd years ago, but the same can be said for Scotland in fact a British problem as it was a British government that finally outlawed and abolished the slave trade.

As to the role that the Scots played during the slave trade and in it's abolishment if you are interested can be viewed at:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc ... 048155.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wagging fingers have duly been removed.

[randompostman]

Brother randompostman a very wee slight but significant observation as to your statement people think slavery was abolished in England 200 odd years ago - WRONG

In the space of some 46 years, between 1787 and 1833, Britain had not only outlawed the slave trade but also abolished slavery throughout her colonial possessions.

200 odd years would bring us to about 1809 about in the middle of the the 2 dates you put up and i did say odd not exact so what am i so wrong about there and i also say i believe that its still here in England now and that is what i think other than what i wrote in the other post i could say prostitution from girls and boys shipped in from around the globe locked in rooms with no chance of escape now is slavery and is in every city and town in england servants from around the forced to work for next to nothing and beaten and passports talen is slavery and is here in england now, cockle farmers remember the ones that were killed by there gang masters in the north were slaves i think the list just gos on and on just because something is eligal does not mean its gone away so please look at what i wrote again and dont bother with the until you do it properly.

Brother I totally understand the main gist of your posting and in one in which I am mostly in agreement with, and I can on re-reading what you had wrote see that yes as a statement slavery was indeed abolished in England 200 odd years ago, but the same can be said for Scotland in fact a British problem as it was a British government that finally outlawed and abolished the slave trade.

As to the role that the Scots played during the slave trade and in it's abolishment if you are interested can be viewed at:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc ... 048155.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wagging fingers have duly been removed.

most things in life have 2 or more facets and you are one of the well cut ones brother.

[gerardy]

In the mornings Royal Mail are using lower figures for trays of letters and flats compared to last years figures,
for manually sorted trays of letters a figure of 195 letters per tray was used last year but this year the figure has been dropped down to 150 letters per tray which is a decrease of 23%.
When you look at this, is it any wonder they tell us the volume of mail is dropping by 10% when in actual fact the mail is getting heavier. The figures are set in Royal Mails favour to try and get us to work harder and quicker, giving them reason to question over- time and make us feel inadiquate were is the respect?