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graffi
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help with grievance

Post by graffi »

ive put a grievance in against my shift manager ,,, and i have an interview with a graduate manager next week ,,,my question is can a manager of a lower grade than the shift manager hear my grievance ?? my rep says no the graduate says yes ?????? :arrrghhh
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graffi wrote:ive put a grievance in against my shift manager ,,, and i have an interview with a graduate manager next week ,,,my question is can a manager of a lower grade than the shift manager hear my grievance ?? my rep says no the graduate says yes ?????? :arrrghhh
Don't know if you will find your immediate answer here but regardless it should give you some guidance.

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"Today’s workplace has become heartless and soulless. Employees are seen as units of labour, automatons, functionaries, objects for achieving designated tasks, and as costs to be minimised."
graffi
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thanks will try ring HR on monday ,,i cant see how a graduate manager can do it when he seeks advice from the manager involved in my grievance , surely he cant overturn a desision his manager makes?? :hmmmm
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Post by apple »

been through the same thing with a disagreement and we made that precise point, how can they find against a decision that a higher level manager has made and has the career prospects of the less senior manager in his hands?
they said that that was not an issue and if they thought it was a valid case they would up hold what they thought was right

needless to say the less senior managers never found against the more senior manager and as that was the area manager what chance you got?
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graffi wrote:thanks will try ring HR on monday ,,i cant see how a graduate manager can do it when he seeks advice from the manager involved in my grievance , surely he cant overturn a desision his manager makes?? :hmmmm
they will do it graffi..they did it to me...just get ready to appeal his inevitable rejection of your claim and cite his incompetence and inexperience...

...then you move to stage 2....and don't forget...they cannot discipline you for raising a grievance, UNLIKE the bullying and harassment procedure...
graffi
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Post by graffi »

thanks for the advice its nice to know help is out there in such a trying time ,,, :sad:
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Post by wolfie citizen smith »

graffi wrote:ive put a grievance in against my shift manager ,,, and i have an interview with a graduate manager next week ,,,my question is can a manager of a lower grade than the shift manager hear my grievance ?? my rep says no the graduate says yes ?????? :arrrghhh
Anyone who would have an unbias view on things would be ok. I feel that your rep has no knowledge of this manager which makes him suspicious however you seem to have a better case this way
"ever get the feeling you've been cheated" John Lydon
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working for royal mail is like a tv soap ,,,ive just found out that my grievance paperwork was found in the toilets at work !!! am waiting on comformation !!
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graffi wrote:working for royal mail is like a tv soap ,,,ive just found out that my grievance paperwork was found in the toilets at work !!! am waiting on comformation !!
Now you have the opportunity to pursue it on the grounds of confidentiality and secrecy, or lack of should i say.
Confused... You won't be, after the next episode of. SOAP
graffi
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unbelivable to say the least : :arrrghhh ,,i'd like to know who had a good look at it ?? :evil/mad ,hope it wasn't the shift manager i put it in against lol think the shyts gona hit the fan :wave been nice working for royal mail :wave
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Post by sausage »

wranglered wrote:
graffi wrote:thanks will try ring HR on monday ,,i cant see how a graduate manager can do it when he seeks advice from the manager involved in my grievance , surely he cant overturn a desision his manager makes?? :hmmmm
they will do it graffi..they did it to me...just get ready to appeal his inevitable rejection of your claim and cite his incompetence and inexperience...

...then you move to stage 2....and don't forget...they cannot discipline you for raising a grievance, UNLIKE the bullying and harassment procedure...

If its against your shift manager and not your line manager it should be straight to stage 2 anyhow
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Post by norbert »

graffi wrote:working for royal mail is like a tv soap ,,,ive just found out that my grievance paperwork was found in the toilets at work !!! am waiting on comformation !!
everything gets turned into a soap opera , If you've not been in The Services , Public School or Prison you'd think you'd walked onto another planet . Too much politics :crazy: RM places are institutions , there is a lot of people who should never be let out of them .
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Post by k979aaa »

norbert wrote:
graffi wrote:working for royal mail is like a tv soap ,,,ive just found out that my grievance paperwork was found in the toilets at work !!! am waiting on comformation !!
everything gets turned into a soap opera , If you've not been in The Services , Public School or Prison you'd think you'd walked onto another planet . Too much politics :crazy: RM places are institutions , there is a lot of people who should never be let out of them .
norbert I completely agree for i was never political at work but trouble always seams to find me and the politics of royalmail management would make the NAZI party look like a conservative party broadcast!.
graffi
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was told last by the managment it was true :d'oh!
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Re: help with grievance

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sausage wrote:
wranglered wrote:
graffi wrote:thanks will try ring HR on monday ,,i cant see how a graduate manager can do it when he seeks advice from the manager involved in my grievance , surely he cant overturn a desision his manager makes?? :hmmmm
they will do it graffi..they did it to me...just get ready to appeal his inevitable rejection of your claim and cite his incompetence and inexperience...

...then you move to stage 2....and don't forget...they cannot discipline you for raising a grievance, UNLIKE the bullying and harassment procedure...

If its against your shift manager and not your line manager it should be straight to stage 2 anyhow
Have you spoken to HR yet? What have they said?? Did you send it away to Rugby?