What have Veitnamese Pot Belly Pigs got to do with videoing the Police?mailmonkey wrote:BELIAL wrote:Is it true that that it it is now illegal for joe public to photograph any Vietnamese pot belly pigs now?
So, a policeman stops you & demands to search you based on no evidence whatsoever. You get out your mobile phone to video the policeman to ensure he does not abuse his authority or abuse you. Instantly you have now committed an offence! Even though you were innocent in the first place the policeman now can enforce this law, you are arrested & put in a cell, awaiting your sentence for a terrorist offence!
Great the Labour Party innit?
I remember tbeing so happy back in '97 too, how wrong we were....
And why do CWU still insist on supporting Labour...needs to stop..
MM
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CHANGES TO GRIEVANCE, DISMISSAL & DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES
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andy2007
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I don't get it.
Don't knock Insanity
it's just another outlook on Reality!
it's just another outlook on Reality!
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darth
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Re: CHANGES TO GRIEVANCE, DISMISSAL & DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES
apologies madelin 4 but persons who have been off a long time and are currentlly back at work.madelin4 wrote:How can they target the long term sick if they are off?darth postie wrote:in this current climate royal mail will take full advantage of this.they have already targetted the long term sick in our delivery office for petty reasons(leaving a tray for drinks on the frame for one) .were are heading down the slippery slope.
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saru
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As, in my experience, Royal Mail's methods of investigation are flawed, it will simply mean that they come to the wrong conclusion quicker! It will also save managers backing each other up in their lies, therefore less chance of tripping thenselves up.
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norbert
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saru wrote:As, in my experience, Royal Mail's methods of investigation are flawed, it will simply mean that they come to the wrong conclusion quicker! It will also save managers backing each other up in their lies, therefore less chance of tripping thenselves up.
process is corrupt
MURDERERS. Need to dispose of a body? Simply parcel it up and post it to yourself via DHL. You will never see it again.
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madelin4
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Re: CHANGES TO GRIEVANCE, DISMISSAL & DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES
Does this affect the people who are off on long term sick at the moment??
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tommythreesheds
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I get the impression its from April only? Is this correct? I am on sick at the moment due to a post op problem. Worried as hell about what happens when i get back 
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darth
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Re: CHANGES TO GRIEVANCE, DISMISSAL & DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES
i would imagine that royal mail will want change but the cwu will want to keep it as it is after all this has been agreed.yet more turmoil possible.
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vigilante
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Royal Mail must be rubbing their hands with glee.
They won't want to stick to the three stages system; they will be delighted with this new procedure!
It may save too many managers getting involved through the stages, but it means less chance of your case being considered properly.
This government, Labour in name only, seems hell-bent as a certain Tory dragon, to destroy employee rights.
They won't want to stick to the three stages system; they will be delighted with this new procedure!
It may save too many managers getting involved through the stages, but it means less chance of your case being considered properly.
This government, Labour in name only, seems hell-bent as a certain Tory dragon, to destroy employee rights.
Always be one step ahead, play their game but be wiser. Revenge is sweet.
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norbert
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Re: CHANGES TO GRIEVANCE, DISMISSAL & DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES
correct ! - they've wanted RMAP fast tracked for a long time , with some professional skivvers and excessive political correctness , it takes 2 years for RM to get rid of them , BUT the wrong people will be hounded out as it's basically the ACAS agreement being torn up .vigilante wrote:Royal Mail must be rubbing their hands with glee.
They won't want to stick to the three stages system; they will be delighted with this new procedure!
It may save too many managers getting involved through the stages, but it means less chance of your case being considered properly.
This government, Labour in name only, seems hell-bent as a certain Tory dragon, to destroy employee rights.
Usually as Teebs says , RM botch all the way through , and all the holes / conflictions , contradictions , more questions than answers etc can be contradicted and challenged , all RM can do now is slow time appeals to ground people down to stop staff making trouble for them at Industrial Tribunals .
New Labour with CBI pressure are trying to appear as business friendly as possible to try and keep the Tory majority down in the 2010 General Election . The best thing you can say is that you'll get Thatcherism Lite with Dave Snooty and his pals .
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Thorby Bislam
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H,mm, looks like I wont be around for much longer when this comes in. 
Just spilt stain-remover down my shirt. Now how do I get that out?
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MickR
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As someone once said " Will the last person leaving, please switch off the lights"!
Thorby Bislam wrote:H,mm, looks like I wont be around for much longer when this comes in.
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brothermagrew
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Re: CHANGES TO GRIEVANCE, DISMISSAL & DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES
As an employer you currently face financial penalties and claims of automatic unfair dismissal if your disciplinary procedure and dismissal procedures do not comply with the Statutory Dispute Procedures.
However, the Statutory Dispute Procedures are being repealed on April 6, 2009. From this date you should follow the new Acas Code of Practice.
http://www.acas.org.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=981&p=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file50204.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Also a wee gem about bullying and harassment http://www.lvsc.org.uk/shared_asp_files ... deID=95186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
However, the Statutory Dispute Procedures are being repealed on April 6, 2009. From this date you should follow the new Acas Code of Practice.
http://www.acas.org.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=981&p=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file50204.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Also a wee gem about bullying and harassment http://www.lvsc.org.uk/shared_asp_files ... deID=95186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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