I've been gagged

greynut · Post by **greynut** » 05 Oct 2008, 10:39

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Your manager must be really petty, in my WTL sometimes the manager lets me answer questions and ask them as well. Most of the information I get to answer questions comes from RMC so once again it proves its worth.

However, I do enjoy it when the Manager answers a question with "I don't know, I'll get back to you" and I pipe up "I know the answer, what you .............". It embarrasses him no end but to his credit he does not get personal or offended by it.

This is what WTL is about. I think sometimes that WTL is just used by managers to push the "NEW" instructions passed down by the DOM or area manager. But my experience is that most people like to idea of WTL but after 3-4 minutes want out because its eating into their time. On the point of asking questions and the line manager not knowing the answer, I think thats fair enough. If the manager realises he has a knowledgable guy on board he should listen and take note and also perhaps even go to HIM for advice. No one should be above asking questions, be it a postie or a manager.

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 05 Oct 2008, 12:53

darth postie wrote:the only way i think that they might be pursuing this is whether you might of made some of the questions on individuals capability,possibly overstepping the bounderies of dignity and respect.hence the rep not supporting you as he might of heard you first hand.however if you feel that you have a grievance follow the advice of other posters,diarise and get support from others who were at wtll.

she's obviously trying to impress someone more senior ( I've broken someone's b***ocks - brownie points please ) - to them you're guilty of something but they are not quite sure what - they'll find something vague and obscure

The rep can't go handwringing because it could mean some other poor b*gg*r could be put on a incitement charge all to settle other managers petty vendettas as RM will declare open season on staff with trumped up charges - once the RM braindead machine gets going it's difficult to stop , RM will close ranks and protect their managers no matter what .

Call her bluff if she gets ar**y

sounds like a union bashing thing - we've had it WTL you listen , you learn - - no questions end of - a complaint went to the union but there must have been pressure from on high

winniethepooh · Post by **winniethepooh** » 06 Oct 2008, 05:38

more news I have started B & H procedings against line manager, spoke to my CWU REP and only evidence he had was what she gave him so I shall be using him as a witness, evidently he told me that she had heard me telling people to cut off an dto do the jop properly etc

andy2007 · Post by **andy2007** » 06 Oct 2008, 07:15

winniethepooh wrote:more news I have started B & H procedings against line manager, spoke to my CWU REP and only evidence he had was what she gave him so I shall be using him as a witness, evidently he told me that she had heard me telling people to cut off an dto do the jop properly etc

Isn't that official CWU Policy anyway?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 06 Oct 2008, 15:15

andy2007 wrote:
winniethepooh wrote:more news I have started B & H procedings against line manager, spoke to my CWU REP and only evidence he had was what she gave him so I shall be using him as a witness, evidently he told me that she had heard me telling people to cut off an dto do the jop properly etc
Isn't that official CWU Policy anyway?

Well I'll be in trouble then because that's exactly what I have been telling people today when they tried to introduce a permanent lapsed round on Mondays and Tuesdays. Although I did word it "you don't have to come in early, use your own cars, or work beyond your contracted hours" and the Lineo agreed with me.

greynut · Post by **greynut** » 06 Oct 2008, 18:46

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
andy2007 wrote:
winniethepooh wrote:more news I have started B & H procedings against line manager, spoke to my CWU REP and only evidence he had was what she gave him so I shall be using him as a witness, evidently he told me that she had heard me telling people to cut off an dto do the jop properly etc
Isn't that official CWU Policy anyway?
Well I'll be in trouble then because that's exactly what I have been telling people today when they tried to introduce a permanent lapsed round on Mondays and Tuesdays. Although I did word it "you don't have to come in early, use your own cars, or work beyond your contracted hours" and the Lineo agreed with me.

I would be careful here. To say "work your hours, dont use your cars, or do not work beyond you hours" is fine. But I am not sure a postie can tell another postie to cut off. I might be wrong but I believe management might see that as incitement to work to rule? I think it is how you word it to your collegue?

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 07 Oct 2008, 12:38

greynut wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
andy2007 wrote:
winniethepooh wrote:more news I have started B & H procedings against line manager, spoke to my CWU REP and only evidence he had was what she gave him so I shall be using him as a witness, evidently he told me that she had heard me telling people to cut off an dto do the jop properly etc
Isn't that official CWU Policy anyway?
Well I'll be in trouble then because that's exactly what I have been telling people today when they tried to introduce a permanent lapsed round on Mondays and Tuesdays. Although I did word it "you don't have to come in early, use your own cars, or work beyond your contracted hours" and the Lineo agreed with me.
I would be careful here. To say "work your hours, dont use your cars, or do not work beyond you hours" is fine. But I am not sure a postie can tell another postie to cut off. I might be wrong but I believe management might see that as incitement to work to rule? I think it is how you word it to your collegue?

the one's that have been tried at Burslem are " Encouraging people not to cooperate with management " - on reps it's " Misuse of union position " doesn't matter how vague or obscure it is - RM have already decided someone is guilty of something and will work back from verdict and charge and play judge , jury and executioner .

They've tried the UIA tactic before and lost but it doesn't mean RM won't try again