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Heavy and light days joke

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Wullie10
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by Wullie10 »

reddevils wrote:
Yesterday, 22:28
Funny how each office is being granted lee way for these changes.
Royal Mail want to make savings. To make these savings there has to be less staff.
Less staff = More Workload.
To make people do more workload the system has to be managed top-down. Nobody is going
to volunteer for more workload and equally leeway means everybody will try and reduce
workload to deflect it onto somebody else.

Having said that Royal Mail management are notoriously piss poor at managing anything.
Most managers barely have high school qualifications, don't know how to spell and struggle
remembering who is on annual leave and who's day off it is.
I think the royal mail executives are highly overestimating what their DO managers are capable off.
Distributing workload and making decisions does not tend to be their strong suit.
That's interesting. "Managers can't spell and hardly have basic education. " When RM recruited university graduates, postmen complained how useless they were as they had no work experience. Can't win really.
At the end of the day , the floor managers get hell from above who get hell from above them and so on.
Throw in a lot of lazy entitled postmen who can play the system and look after themselves, as someone said deflect their fallings on to someone else.
SpacePhoenix
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by SpacePhoenix »

Wullie10 wrote:
Today, 07:05
reddevils wrote:
Yesterday, 22:28
Funny how each office is being granted lee way for these changes.
Royal Mail want to make savings. To make these savings there has to be less staff.
Less staff = More Workload.
To make people do more workload the system has to be managed top-down. Nobody is going
to volunteer for more workload and equally leeway means everybody will try and reduce
workload to deflect it onto somebody else.

Having said that Royal Mail management are notoriously piss poor at managing anything.
Most managers barely have high school qualifications, don't know how to spell and struggle
remembering who is on annual leave and who's day off it is.
I think the royal mail executives are highly overestimating what their DO managers are capable off.
Distributing workload and making decisions does not tend to be their strong suit.
That's interesting. "Managers can't spell and hardly have basic education. " When RM recruited university graduates, postmen complained how useless they were as they had no work experience. Can't win really.
At the end of the day , the floor managers get hell from above who get hell from above them and so on.
Throw in a lot of lazy entitled postmen who can play the system and look after themselves, as someone said deflect their fallings on to someone else.
The best managers are ex-posties. Ok they may be absolute s**t at their job but at least they have knowledge and understanding of a posties job.
toonshola
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by toonshola »

Perseus wrote:
Yesterday, 20:57
I'm certain that all these issues will be sorted after the post implementation review....
Oh yeah definitely. I mean last time our office had one after a revision the planner, area rep and area manager all disappeared and our office has been left with huge unbalanced and impossible delivery’s for 4 years. I’m sure this time will be different…..
tramssirhc
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by tramssirhc »

The question in all this is what are the CWU doing about it?
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
Perseus
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by Perseus »

tramssirhc wrote:
Today, 08:20
The question in all this is what are the CWU doing about it?
Why would they? - going into something like this without a revision (despite having nearly 2 years to do so) is guaranteed to cause these issues.
No amount of promises for post deployment checks changes that.
toonshola
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by toonshola »

tramssirhc wrote:
Today, 08:20
The question in all this is what are the CWU doing about it?
Dave and Martin have put the hard yards in getting this amazing USO model agreed and over the line. They are now back in grift mode, playing hide and seek with the members and collecting their ridiculous salaries.
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by Gary55 »

Those chocolate biscuits won't eat themselves
Postie45
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by Postie45 »

postslippete wrote:
Yesterday, 20:41

we have weeks worth of D2Ds left untouched because there isn't the time to put them in and yet we still have some staff on cushy rounds completing their own rounds and still clock out early.
Unless you're specifically told otherwise d2d are to be put into workload. I get it we see these items as less important but really they should be going out every day. In the end the blame will come on you for not even attempting to deliver them. Take the time to prep them too, if it makes you out later then it's not your problem it's the managers, you can still finish on time.
zacattack
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by zacattack »

At one depot we used to put all the d2d in on Monday morning, unfortunately with the new way of working Monday and Tuesday will have 3 days of post so that's going to make the bags even heavier. Using a trolley is all well and good if your're delivering in a nice suburban road with off street parking but if you're delivering to a road with cars parked all over the pavement then you've got no choice but to drag the trolley out into the middle of the road and some of those roads are main roads with arrogant, impatient drivers. I've lost count of the amount of times a driver has decided to squeeze past me rather than wait until he/she can give me a wide berth.
raXor
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by raXor »

Postie45 wrote:
Today, 12:56
Unless you're specifically told otherwise d2d are to be put into workload. I get it we see these items as less important but really they should be going out every day. In the end the blame will come on you for not even attempting to deliver them. Take the time to prep them too, if it makes you out later then it's not your problem it's the managers, you can still finish on time.
It's not quite as straight forward as that for many unfortunately. A lot of the duties are failing 2 or 3 times each week, so how can the D2Ds be going out every day as you state? The duties that are failing are typically heavy van share town duties with over 1500 DPs. If people concentrated on prepping 5 D2Ds, there really wouldn't be much time at all to deliver anything. You're either going to have weeks worth of D2Ds piling up or weeks worth of mail in trays.
yubin282
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by yubin282 »

Wullie10 wrote:
Today, 07:05
reddevils wrote:
Yesterday, 22:28
Funny how each office is being granted lee way for these changes.
Royal Mail want to make savings. To make these savings there has to be less staff.
Less staff = More Workload.
To make people do more workload the system has to be managed top-down. Nobody is going
to volunteer for more workload and equally leeway means everybody will try and reduce
workload to deflect it onto somebody else.

Having said that Royal Mail management are notoriously piss poor at managing anything.
Most managers barely have high school qualifications, don't know how to spell and struggle
remembering who is on annual leave and who's day off it is.
I think the royal mail executives are highly overestimating what their DO managers are capable off.
Distributing workload and making decisions does not tend to be their strong suit.
That's interesting. "Managers can't spell and hardly have basic education. " When RM recruited university graduates, postmen complained how useless they were as they had no work experience. Can't win really.
At the end of the day , the floor managers get hell from above who get hell from above them and so on.
Throw in a lot of lazy entitled postmen who can play the system and look after themselves, as someone said deflect their fallings on to someone else.
I did laugh when Daniel Kretinsky was in front of parliament, a quote from the baldy geezer next to him...

"WE HAVE A LOT OF TOP TALENTED MANAGERS IN DELIVERY OFFICES"

Absolutely deluded.
Thommo44
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by Thommo44 »

tramssirhc wrote:
Yesterday, 20:26
postslippete wrote:
Yesterday, 20:07
Yeah, management have been looking at all sorts of creative ways to make DM26 work in our office. Some posties have been rotated on different rounds whilst others seem to be clearing their own duty every single day. Even when those duty holders have their days off - all the work on their frame has gone instead of putting those staff on other rounds that have had about a week's worth of mail left in it....

It's not difficult to see the issues that DM26 is creating

And the logic is that management are only concerned with the overall QoS in their section/office rather than a few duties that are consistently struggling due to them being consistently oversized or not resourced properly.
This really is not how DM26 works.
This is the problem, no guidance or standard procedure that covers every office, but a loose statement that is open to interpretation. The management either local or regional are not smart enough to implement this. There should have been a full revision in every single office, with a simple yes/no flow chart.
tramssirhc
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by tramssirhc »

Thommo44 wrote:
Today, 18:18
tramssirhc wrote:
Yesterday, 20:26
postslippete wrote:
Yesterday, 20:07
Yeah, management have been looking at all sorts of creative ways to make DM26 work in our office. Some posties have been rotated on different rounds whilst others seem to be clearing their own duty every single day. Even when those duty holders have their days off - all the work on their frame has gone instead of putting those staff on other rounds that have had about a week's worth of mail left in it....

It's not difficult to see the issues that DM26 is creating

And the logic is that management are only concerned with the overall QoS in their section/office rather than a few duties that are consistently struggling due to them being consistently oversized or not resourced properly.
This really is not how DM26 works.
This is the problem, no guidance or standard procedure that covers every office, but a loose statement that is open to interpretation. The management either local or regional are not smart enough to implement this. There should have been a full revision in every single office, with a simple yes/no flow chart.
There is. It just needs a strong local rep to say no go.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
oypostie
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Re: Heavy and light days joke

Post by oypostie »

It just needs a strong local rep to say no go.
And then they just go above his head and get someone higher up to sign it off. We've seen that happen in the past.