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Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

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Perseus
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Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

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Anyone an idea how common this is as I've seen a few now on the 'app that shall not be named'.
Seems like this is the only environment where DM26 will work (singletons) - by making each currently manageable single duty slightly bigger but only doing 50% of all mail each day. Swap round next day.
yubin282
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

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Perseus wrote:
Today, 17:44
Anyone an idea how common this is as I've seen a few now on the 'app that shall not be named'.
Seems like this is the only environment where DM26 will work (singletons) - by making each currently manageable single duty slightly bigger but only doing 50% of all mail each day. Swap round next day.
its only the HCT duties doing that in our office
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

Post by ted_e_bear »

If there's a chance of this actually working why not simply roll it out to everyone, would that be a much simpler approach.

Increase each currently doable duty including singleton and hcts by a third which is equivalent of swallowing up 1 out of 4 duties so that's the 3 in 4 saving.

It should work for all types, hct, singleton, van share

Really simple no need for titting about between different frames and definitely no need for any more colourful charts.
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

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ted_e_bear wrote:
Today, 19:12
If there's a chance of this actually working why not simply roll it out to everyone, would that be a much simpler approach.

Increase each currently doable duty including singleton and hcts by a third which is equivalent of swallowing up 1 out of 4 duties so that's the 3 in 4 saving.

It should work for all types, hct, singleton, van share

Really simple no need for titting about between different frames and definitely no need for any more colourful charts.
they sure do make a simple job difficult
Perseus
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

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ted_e_bear wrote:
Today, 19:12
If there's a chance of this actually working why not simply roll it out to everyone, would that be a much simpler approach.

Increase each currently doable duty including singleton and hcts by a third which is equivalent of swallowing up 1 out of 4 duties so that's the 3 in 4 saving.

It should work for all types, hct, singleton, van share

Really simple no need for titting about between different frames and definitely no need for any more colourful charts.
I fully agree. Duties are going to get stitched up otherwise with singleton duties which are staying the same - only doing 50/50, then apparently coming to help out.

Do it across the board.
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

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Perseus wrote:
Today, 19:29
ted_e_bear wrote:
Today, 19:12
If there's a chance of this actually working why not simply roll it out to everyone, would that be a much simpler approach.

Increase each currently doable duty including singleton and hcts by a third which is equivalent of swallowing up 1 out of 4 duties so that's the 3 in 4 saving.

It should work for all types, hct, singleton, van share

Really simple no need for titting about between different frames and definitely no need for any more colourful charts.
I fully agree. Duties are going to get stitched up otherwise with singleton duties which are staying the same - only doing 50/50, then apparently coming to help out.

Do it across the board.
Absolutely it's so simple it's beyond belief they've spent so much time, effort and probably a small fortune on DM26 and it's flawed
Perseus
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

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ted_e_bear wrote:
Today, 20:29
Perseus wrote:
Today, 19:29
ted_e_bear wrote:
Today, 19:12
If there's a chance of this actually working why not simply roll it out to everyone, would that be a much simpler approach.

Increase each currently doable duty including singleton and hcts by a third which is equivalent of swallowing up 1 out of 4 duties so that's the 3 in 4 saving.

It should work for all types, hct, singleton, van share

Really simple no need for titting about between different frames and definitely no need for any more colourful charts.
I fully agree. Duties are going to get stitched up otherwise with singleton duties which are staying the same - only doing 50/50, then apparently coming to help out.

Do it across the board.
Absolutely it's so simple it's beyond belief they've spent so much time, effort and probably a small fortune on DM26 and it's flawed
The 18 months they've wasted on this could have had a proper data and local knowledge driven revision that makes every duty properly sized to go into a 50/50 way of working. Yes, possibly some staff would be made surplus, but the rate we are losing staff it would easily cover it.
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

Post by goldy2007 »

Perseus wrote:
Today, 17:44
Anyone an idea how common this is as I've seen a few now on the 'app that shall not be named'.
Seems like this is the only environment where DM26 will work (singletons) - by making each currently manageable single duty slightly bigger but only doing 50% of all mail each day. Swap round next day.
I’m in an all rural/ deep rural l office of only 10 duties

we are doing the 50/50 thing but we are splitting I think 1 round in 5 on the same 50/50 split
Perseus
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

Post by Perseus »

goldy2007 wrote:
Today, 20:58
Perseus wrote:
Today, 17:44
Anyone an idea how common this is as I've seen a few now on the 'app that shall not be named'.
Seems like this is the only environment where DM26 will work (singletons) - by making each currently manageable single duty slightly bigger but only doing 50% of all mail each day. Swap round next day.
I’m in an all rural/ deep rural l office of only 10 duties

we are doing the 50/50 thing but we are splitting I think 1 round in 5 on the same 50/50 split
That makes sense considering the distance between delivery points on rural duties.
Suburban areas with a lot of shared van duties are going to be getting absolutely smashed in this new way of working.
goldy2007
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

Post by goldy2007 »

Perseus wrote:
Today, 21:06
goldy2007 wrote:
Today, 20:58
Perseus wrote:
Today, 17:44
Anyone an idea how common this is as I've seen a few now on the 'app that shall not be named'.
Seems like this is the only environment where DM26 will work (singletons) - by making each currently manageable single duty slightly bigger but only doing 50% of all mail each day. Swap round next day.
I’m in an all rural/ deep rural l office of only 10 duties

we are doing the 50/50 thing but we are splitting I think 1 round in 5 on the same 50/50 split
That makes sense considering the distance between delivery points on rural duties.
Suburban areas with a lot of shared van duties are going to be getting absolutely smashed in this new way of working.
We have 1 round with 80 miles driving including 40 mins back from last delivery point

We are probably one of the last postman pat offices

With over half the office with more than 25 years and a steady stream of part timers coming and going since Covid although the current new starts

( we hate that term ) we just use part timers have stayed the last 18 months as they all work full time hrs so that helps
Perseus
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

Post by Perseus »

goldy2007 wrote:
Today, 21:14
Perseus wrote:
Today, 21:06
goldy2007 wrote:
Today, 20:58
Perseus wrote:
Today, 17:44
Anyone an idea how common this is as I've seen a few now on the 'app that shall not be named'.
Seems like this is the only environment where DM26 will work (singletons) - by making each currently manageable single duty slightly bigger but only doing 50% of all mail each day. Swap round next day.
I’m in an all rural/ deep rural l office of only 10 duties

we are doing the 50/50 thing but we are splitting I think 1 round in 5 on the same 50/50 split
That makes sense considering the distance between delivery points on rural duties.
Suburban areas with a lot of shared van duties are going to be getting absolutely smashed in this new way of working.
We have 1 round with 80 miles driving including 40 mins back from last delivery point

We are probably one of the last postman pat offices

With over half the office with more than 25 years and a steady stream of part timers coming and going since Covid although the current new starts

( we hate that term ) we just use part timers have stayed the last 18 months as they all work full time hrs so that helps
It must be a challenge though to have fewer staff working Saturdays though? Even with only 1C and tracked on a Saturday duties must still take 80% of the normal time? Are you getting more Saturdays off?
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

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goldy2007 wrote:
Today, 20:58
Perseus wrote:
Today, 17:44
Anyone an idea how common this is as I've seen a few now on the 'app that shall not be named'.
Seems like this is the only environment where DM26 will work (singletons) - by making each currently manageable single duty slightly bigger but only doing 50% of all mail each day. Swap round next day.
I’m in an all rural/ deep rural l office of only 10 duties

we are doing the 50/50 thing but we are splitting I think 1 round in 5 on the same 50/50 split
Whose agreed that?
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goldy2007
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

Post by goldy2007 »

tramssirhc wrote:
Today, 21:25
goldy2007 wrote:
Today, 20:58
Perseus wrote:
Today, 17:44
Anyone an idea how common this is as I've seen a few now on the 'app that shall not be named'.
Seems like this is the only environment where DM26 will work (singletons) - by making each currently manageable single duty slightly bigger but only doing 50% of all mail each day. Swap round next day.
I’m in an all rural/ deep rural l office of only 10 duties

we are doing the 50/50 thing but we are splitting I think 1 round in 5 on the same 50/50 split
Whose agreed that?


It’s not been agreed that is the proposal when a planner came in couple of weeks ago
goldy2007
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Re: Whole offices doing the singleton 50/50 thing.

Post by goldy2007 »

Perseus wrote:
Today, 21:17
goldy2007 wrote:
Today, 21:14
Perseus wrote:
Today, 21:06
goldy2007 wrote:
Today, 20:58
Perseus wrote:
Today, 17:44
Anyone an idea how common this is as I've seen a few now on the 'app that shall not be named'.
Seems like this is the only environment where DM26 will work (singletons) - by making each currently manageable single duty slightly bigger but only doing 50% of all mail each day. Swap round next day.
I’m in an all rural/ deep rural l office of only 10 duties

we are doing the 50/50 thing but we are splitting I think 1 round in 5 on the same 50/50 split
That makes sense considering the distance between delivery points on rural duties.
Suburban areas with a lot of shared van duties are going to be getting absolutely smashed in this new way of working.
We have 1 round with 80 miles driving including 40 mins back from last delivery point

We are probably one of the last postman pat offices

With over half the office with more than 25 years and a steady stream of part timers coming and going since Covid although the current new starts

( we hate that term ) we just use part timers have stayed the last 18 months as they all work full time hrs so that helps
It must be a challenge though to have fewer staff working Saturdays though? Even with only 1C and tracked on a Saturday duties must still take 80% of the normal time? Are you getting more Saturdays off?
We don’t all complete now but they do pay pressure most of the year

Think Saturdays falls into the too be discussed part that so many point out is the issue with vote

No one trusts them as we’ve always been 1 man 1 job

To be honest hearing tales of bigger off8ces and practices scares the s**t out of us