Overtime ban incoming, allegedly

[SMS1969]

Its all to do with one thing and one thing only this overtime ban.... if they can mess the man/woman who actually does a lot of overtime up for a week or two it means they dont have to pay holiday/overtime holiday pay down the line.. this is about nothing else.. I dont care to much about it but I thinks its 8 hours or something every month and if the cycle is broke then royal mail are delighted..

Another daft idea that should never had been agreed on in the first place.

[NWpostie]

Well most people in our office do unpaid overtime coming in early and not taking breaks, will they ban them as well? I doubt it as these mugs are saving the business a fortune and the manager benefits from these fools, still can’t believe these idiots keep coming in early unpaid and then they complain about extra lapsing! You can’t make it up

They are conditioned by the old job and knock culture, it's hard to shake off because of the short term gains, the bosses do look at how early you finish not how early you start, that's what buggers the job up, you need to train yourself to look at it differently later start longer lie in and finish on time, it will be a daily battle with the Linos, as long as you stick to your guns eventually they will move on to somebody else, be prepared to record confrontations advising them that you're recording for any subsequent disciplinary they may try on.

I did the job by the book once job and knock finished, I got a lot of harassment eventually they gave up as i didn't care, I've recently moved to distribution totally different atmosphere.

[HTPostman]

Its all to do with one thing and one thing only this overtime ban.... if they can mess the man/woman who actually does a lot of overtime up for a week or two it means they dont have to pay holiday/overtime holiday pay down the line.. this is about nothing else.. I dont care to much about it but I thinks its 8 hours or something every month and if the cycle is broke then royal mail are delighted..

Another daft idea that should never had been agreed on in the first place.

Correct. That should have gone through the courts, as it was all set to do, with lead claimants and like the prison service (no hoops to jump through, 2 years backdated) I truly believe it would have been a positive result.

Instead Dave Fraud and Wishy Walsh and co backed down, put it to a ridiculous branch vote (ours was done on Facebook over a single weekend) and the rest is history.

[Perseus]

What's the beef in general that some staff seem to have with others doing overtime? I'm not trying to align this with 'unpaid' overtime, just run of the mill, extended OT, working day off etc? Some in ours were beaming with glee last year when ALL the OT got cut for months.

[Barnacle]

What's the beef in general that some staff seem to have with others doing overtime? I'm not trying to align this with 'unpaid' overtime, just run of the mill, extended OT, working day off etc? Some in ours were beaming with glee last year when ALL the OT got cut for months.

There’s two sides to that. One side is that it is easy to be smug and judgemental if you can afford to live on your contract hours alone. Not everyone has that luxury.

The other side is that as a consequence of it becoming common practice for staff to work their days off, the position of floater has been scrapped which means a reduction in the number of staff on a division.

[Perseus]

What's the beef in general that some staff seem to have with others doing overtime? I'm not trying to align this with 'unpaid' overtime, just run of the mill, extended OT, working day off etc? Some in ours were beaming with glee last year when ALL the OT got cut for months.

There’s two sides to that. One side is that it is easy to be smug and judgemental if you can afford to live on your contract hours alone. Not everyone has that luxury.

The other side is that as a consequence of it becoming common practice for staff to work their days off, the position of floater has been scrapped which means a reduction in the number of staff on a division.

But that's not the person doing the OT's fault. The phrase playing the man instead of the ball springs to mind. It's been going on for years, well before the days of only being able to do packets only some days on duties.

[Sunflow3r]

Talk of overtime ban in my office but agency workers remain

[Mr Rush]

What's the beef in general that some staff seem to have with others doing overtime?

Vis-a-vis workloads, it's a sticking plaster that infinitely forestalls the company ever fixing things. Morally, RM keeps PT staff hungry and willing.

[kazardaimenu]

Personally I enjoy seeing the pile up when they spring an overtime ban. No sign of it at our place yet plenty working days off but we’re still understaffed.

[Perseus]

What's the beef in general that some staff seem to have with others doing overtime?

Vis-a-vis workloads, it's a sticking plaster that infinitely forestalls the company ever fixing things. Morally, RM keeps PT staff hungry and willing.

That's just it though. Those in my office that sneer at others that do OT have the 'easier' routes/jobs all pretty much sewn up. It's as if they view people who do OT as somehow responsible for the job not being the complete cake walk it used to be, or in league with management.

[A2B]

Personally I'd rather see an extra person get a permanent contract than see the office run on overtime 52 weeks of the year.

As has been pointed out before it's cheap labour for RM and just encourages them to cut more duties, no doubt the recent shocking service from RM was largely due to the regular takers for overtime being swamped and not having enough hours in the day to cover all that was offered.

[fadetogrey63]

Our office sees overtime as a norm, would go to pot if it just stopped.. Nearly all that do it are on the inferior new contracts, so it helps bulk up the wage to something that we should be on as basic. I hate doing overtime, but on 30 hours just over £13 a hour just isn't enough

[Barnacle]

Personally I'd rather see an extra person get a permanent contract than see the office run on overtime 52 weeks of the year.

As has been pointed out before it's cheap labour for RM and just encourages them to cut more duties, no doubt the recent shocking service from RM was largely due to the regular takers for overtime being swamped and not having enough hours in the day to cover all that was offered.

That’s it exactly. As soon as someone goes on annual leave and then another is off sick, that’s a division that will have mail sitting in frames, because the floaters no longer exist and only so many can do the extra overtime.

[A2B]

Our office sees overtime as a norm, would go to pot if it just stopped.. Nearly all that do it are on the inferior new contracts, so it helps bulk up the wage to something that we should be on as basic. I hate doing overtime, but on 30 hours just over £13 a hour just isn't enough

Totally understand why they do overtime but now they have gone back to their contracted hours and there's no overtime there's an atmosphere in the office which doesn't sit well with me. Already a few who say they are leaving but we'll wait and see

[steve1873]

...... and don’t leave the office before 9am ever.

We don't start until 7.45.
The last lorry doesn't arrive until 8.50.
Leaving the office before 9am is impossible. Ever.

I don't get out the office until after 11am most days. 10:40 on a good day, which are few and far between. Central Scotland.