More mass exodus from delivery...

[ted_e_bear]

About 20% of our office are new contracts.

What's the current % of staff on the newer contracts?

Only about 15% at our place, it would have been 20-25 if the last few hadn't left, we're currently a bit understaffed.

[Mr Rush]

We're close to 50% turnover since 2022. 282 years of experience chucked it in 2023. I literally don't know half the people at work now.

Maybe there are issues of misogyny, racism and homophobia in some offices but it is not this that is driving the new starters away - just read the comments, its low pay and unstable duties with none of the job security or respect that older staff once had.

The company would much rather make a performative show of tackling the former, its existence being being minimal at worst and therefore very cheap from a video production perspective, than the far more prevalent and very very expensive latter of which it has an explicit interest in perpetuating.

There are no coveted industry awards for RM eliminating the bullies reponsible for impossible workloads.

What's the current % of staff on the newer contracts?

20,000 as of this June. Assuming 85,000 total as last December, that works out to 20-25% national average.

[jessicarabbit]

We are now at 35 out of 123 which is in line with the averages at around 28%. 3 old timers have said this is their last Xmas. A few more will reach retirement age in the next 6 months. I think when nationally we are at 33% the business has won the battle and can keep kicking the can of equalisation down the road for another year and then once the cluster f**k of USO is rolled out nationally we will very quickly hit the magic 51% and then the game is afoot!

[RuralVan]

50/50 at our spot.

[twoloops]

Had a young lad with me today, he came off afternoon DPR, after the first loop he told me he was not delivering anymore mail, he liked to be driving & in control, left his PDA in the van & went home, finished my loops & collections, finished on time, took his bagged up loops back & dumped them in linos office, think he'd gone home as well day off tomorrow

[ted_e_bear]

Had a young lad with me today, he came off afternoon DPR, after the first loop he told me he was not delivering anymore mail, he liked to be driving & in control, left his PDA in the van & went home, finished my loops & collections, finished on time, took his bagged up loops back & dumped them in linos office, think he'd gone home as well day off tomorrow

That's a novel way for him to hand in his notice

Although he'll probably be ok this being RM he'll be back on dpr tomorrow prob get a promotion too

[TopperGas]

Had a young lad with me today, he came off afternoon DPR, after the first loop he told me he was not delivering anymore mail, he liked to be driving & in control, left his PDA in the van & went home, finished my loops & collections, finished on time, took his bagged up loops back & dumped them in linos office, think he'd gone home as well day off tomorrow

We've had numerous DPR/agency drivers quit when they've been asked to do a proper delivery round.

[Mr Rush]

We've had numerous DPR/agency drivers quit when they've been asked to do a proper delivery round.

I've found a lot of new starts seem to be far happier doing packets in line with RM's mantra 'we're a parcel company now' while I am supremely content to fill up a bag and deliver the goddamn letters like I signed up to do.

That's why I've said I believe once-over-the-ground doesn't work anymore. Let afternoon packet runs deal with the T24s and let me deliver in the morning the tray of sequenced that got processed at 4AM.

[TopperGas]

We've had numerous DPR/agency drivers quit when they've been asked to do a proper delivery round.

I've found a lot of new starts seem to be far happier doing packets in line with RM's mantra 'we're a parcel company now' while I am supremely content to fill up a bag and deliver the goddamn letters like I signed up to do.

That's why I've said I believe once-over-the-ground doesn't work anymore. Let afternoon packet runs deal with the T24s and let me deliver in the morning the tray of sequenced that got processed at 4AM.

That will never happen when we have management who seem to think somebody is only any use as a postie if they can deliver mail as well as packets, even though the former seems to fall week by week in quantity.

[clashcityrocker]

That will never happen when we have management who seem to think somebody is only any use as a postie if they can deliver mail as well as packets,

It was Rico Back's plan to take all the parcels off the postie and have separate parcel and letter deliveries.
The union was against it for various reasons but letter delivery would become a part time job.

[Mr Rush]

That will never happen when we have management who seem to think somebody is only any use as a postie if they can deliver mail as well as packets,

It was Rico Back's plan to take all the parcels off the postie and have separate parcel and letter deliveries.
The union was against it for various reasons but letter delivery would become a part time job.

Rico's tenure is from a different epoch entirely. A lot has changed since then, the topic of this thread being one. Indeed it would have turned letter delivery into a part time job then, but in the intervening time anything from a fifth to a quarter of the workforce have quit since the strikes. If I collapse two duties into one to fill my letter-only working day it's not like I'm snatching bread out of someone's mouth or their kid's mouth - no-one's on the duty anyway!

Think of the savings sending walkers out on the buses with a single well-located bag drop. Voilà: 0% engine idling

[Perseus]

That will never happen when we have management who seem to think somebody is only any use as a postie if they can deliver mail as well as packets,

It was Rico Back's plan to take all the parcels off the postie and have separate parcel and letter deliveries.
The union was against it for various reasons but letter delivery would become a part time job.

Rico's tenure is from a different epoch entirely. A lot has changed since then, the topic of this thread being one. Indeed it would have turned letter delivery into a part time job then, but in the intervening time anything from a fifth to a quarter of the workforce have quit since the strikes. If I collapse two duties into one to fill my letter-only working day it's not like I'm snatching bread out of someone's mouth or their kid's mouth - no-one's on the duty anyway!

Think of the savings sending walkers out on the buses with a single well-located bag drop. Voilà: 0% engine idling

Not sure if you're being serious, but I'd think anyone volunteering to do a couple of bags worth of mail only on delivery is asking to be made redundant, if and when it's deemed to not be cost effective.

[roman]

I left about 2 years through I’ll health after doing 38 years.The job started to get harder after privatisation and the parcel boom.Then covid hit and all common sense in the job went out of the window. We were asked to do an incredible amount of work during covid normally covering 2 rounds. Heads dropped quite quickly and although we did an incredible job under the circumstances the job took its toll. The job was never the same after that. Sad really.

[cwyou]

Thinking of packing it in after 18 years. Job market is terrible right now though. Minimum wage will increase again in April. Always fancied to try a supermarket delivery driver. May have to give it a go at some point, not least due to the fact that it is physically less demanding and as we get older we need to preserve our capability of Employment in some capacity!

[menditsa]

Thinking of packing it in after 18 years. Job market is terrible right now though. Minimum wage will increase again in April. Always fancied to try a supermarket delivery driver. May have to give it a go at some point, not least due to the fact that it is physically less demanding and as we get older we need to preserve our capability of Employment in some capacity!

Tesco / Asda are the same shitshow as RM if you go speak to a few drivers.