Ballot result

[milly]

We are on race to bottom in terms of pay,be minimum wage within a couple years,and these wallys think it’s a pay rise .

Lou…have you been to supermarket lately?

How is it not a pay rise? Your pay has increased. It isn’t Royal Mail’s responsibility to ensure you can buy your shopping. As milly says, blame the government for f***ing up the country.

It's a rise in nominal terms but not in real terms.
However, when the deal was approved by the Union it wasn’t too bad, unfortunately the Union wasn’t to know that inflation was going to rise.

[sindba]

You seem to have misread the ballot. You were voting for a pay rise. You are getting more money. It is a rise in pay.

At the end of 3 years our pay will be worth less than it is now

Love to hear you explain how that's a pay "rise"

Because you are getting more money than you were before. You can’t blame the state of the economy, the scandalous situation with our utilities companies being destroyed by overseas hedge funds and other bill rises on the CWU, Royal Mail or ‘Yes’ voters.

Good grief.

I can explain it you, but I can't understand it for you.

[twoloops]

Any low skilled employer understands the lower the IQ the more they can control them, the same postie were all chucking their mail in for free when I arrived this morning, why would they be bothered about taking a pay cut when everyday they work for free

[SkiSunday]

Any low skilled employer understands the lower the IQ the more they can control them, the same postie where all chucking their mail in for free when I arrived this morning, why would they be bothered about taking a pay cut when everyday they work for free

It's actual insanity ain't it lol, nah in fact it's fear and RM f***ing love and thrive on it.

[LouBarlow]

You seem to have misread the ballot. You were voting for a pay rise. You are getting more money. It is a rise in pay.

At the end of 3 years our pay will be worth less than it is now

Love to hear you explain how that's a pay "rise"

Because you are getting more money than you were before. You can’t blame the state of the economy, the scandalous situation with our utilities companies being destroyed by overseas hedge funds and other bill rises on the CWU, Royal Mail or ‘Yes’ voters.

Good grief.

I can explain it you, but I can't understand it for you.

Explain to me how getting a pay rise doesn’t mean you are receiving more money in your pay packet a week. That should be an easy one to make me understand.

[milly]

You seem to have misread the ballot. You were voting for a pay rise. You are getting more money. It is a rise in pay.

At the end of 3 years our pay will be worth less than it is now

Love to hear you explain how that's a pay "rise"

Because you are getting more money than you were before. You can’t blame the state of the economy, the scandalous situation with our utilities companies being destroyed by overseas hedge funds and other bill rises on the CWU, Royal Mail or ‘Yes’ voters.

Good grief.

I can explain it you, but I can't understand it for you.

Explain to me how getting a pay rise doesn’t mean you are receiving more money in your pay packet a week. That should be an easy one to make me understand.

You are talking in nominal terms, and I think sindba is talking in real terms, so you are both correct and wrong at the same time

[LouBarlow]

You seem to have misread the ballot. You were voting for a pay rise. You are getting more money. It is a rise in pay.

At the end of 3 years our pay will be worth less than it is now

Love to hear you explain how that's a pay "rise"

Because you are getting more money than you were before. You can’t blame the state of the economy, the scandalous situation with our utilities companies being destroyed by overseas hedge funds and other bill rises on the CWU, Royal Mail or ‘Yes’ voters.

Good grief.

I can explain it you, but I can't understand it for you.

Explain to me how getting a pay rise doesn’t mean you are receiving more money in your pay packet a week. That should be an easy one to make me understand.

You are talking in nominal terms, and I think sindba is talking in real terms, so you are both correct and wrong at the same time

Not really. We have voted for a pay rise. We are getting more money. It is a rise in pay. There is nothing wrong in that statement. People seem to think that it is Royal Mail’s obligation to fix the ills of society that mean we are all paying more for our groceries and energy bills, but that is just not reality. But then people seem to think we are performing some kind of life changing service to society, by posting letters through doors and delivering parcels, so perhaps they have lost sight of our place or are overvaluing what we do for a living. The harsh fact is anyone can do our job. We are all replaceable. If you don’t think we are earning what we deserve, then you have to better yourself and choose a different path in life.

[milly]

You seem to have misread the ballot. You were voting for a pay rise. You are getting more money. It is a rise in pay.

At the end of 3 years our pay will be worth less than it is now

Love to hear you explain how that's a pay "rise"

Because you are getting more money than you were before. You can’t blame the state of the economy, the scandalous situation with our utilities companies being destroyed by overseas hedge funds and other bill rises on the CWU, Royal Mail or ‘Yes’ voters.

Good grief.

I can explain it you, but I can't understand it for you.

Explain to me how getting a pay rise doesn’t mean you are receiving more money in your pay packet a week. That should be an easy one to make me understand.

You are talking in nominal terms, and I think sindba is talking in real terms, so you are both correct and wrong at the same time

Not really. We have voted for a pay rise. We are getting more money. It is a rise in pay. There is nothing wrong in that statement. People seem to think that it is Royal Mail’s obligation to fix the ills of society that mean we are all paying more for our groceries and energy bills, but that is just not reality. But then people seem to think we are performing some kind of life changing service to society, by posting letters through doors and delivering parcels, so perhaps they have lost sight of our place or are overvaluing what we do for a living. The harsh fact is anyone can do our job. We are all replaceable. If you don’t think we are earning what we deserve, then you have to better yourself and choose a different path in life.

But it's not a payrise in real terms, once its implemented it will buy fewer goods and services than when it was originally negotiated.
Royal Mail will shortly be on minimum wage thanks to the open borders policies you love so much.
An oversupply of Labour leads to lower wages.

[HTPostman]

What a poor deal. And that turnout, yikes!

I can't understand the low turnout, surely most CWU members have an opinion one way or the other, so why then leave to others to decide the outcome.

The truth is most workers are complete donuts that have no idea what’s going on around them , I see it every day in my office and I’m not talking about new staff either.

I’ll probably upset some here but during my near 10 years at RM so many talked a good game but that was it. When I left a lot said they were following me, none have. Everyone claims they have the worst round but when it comes to resign (if that’s still a thing), they stick on the same round they’ve been on for the last 20 years. A lot say they’ll stick it to the man, will cut off, not working over ever again, then they get offered a deal and they backtrack - I know because I was one of them, I accepted 9 hours bonus (on top of the 8 hours for working a day off) to end my own self imposed year long overtime ban.

Even with the takeover, people were given many months to state whether they wanted to sell their shares, I still see posts on social media saying ‘I never had the time to fill in the form, what do I do now.’ Never had the time to tick yes or no and put it back in the post or submit it online?!

It’s not just RM, I see it everywhere. Albert who’s said he’s going to fix that gate for the last 7 years, when all it needs is a bolt and a screwdriver, a 2 minute job if that. My dad, get this, moved into his current house 24 years ago, there are still moving boxes he ‘hasn’t had the time’ to go through.

[SkiSunday]

Not really. We have voted for a pay rise. We are getting more money. It is a rise in pay. There is nothing wrong in that statement. People seem to think that it is Royal Mail’s obligation to fix the ills of society that mean we are all paying more for our groceries and energy bills, but that is just not reality. But then people seem to think we are performing some kind of life changing service to society, by posting letters through doors and delivering parcels, so perhaps they have lost sight of our place or are overvaluing what we do for a living. The harsh fact is anyone can do our job. We are all replaceable. If you don’t think we are earning what we deserve, then you have to better yourself and choose a different path in life.

It's almost as if every other 'no qualifications needed' company in the UK over the last 10 years has paid there staff for services rendered better than RM, and kept up with the economy or something. Even the ones who don't pay union fees.

[LouBarlow]

Not really. We have voted for a pay rise. We are getting more money. It is a rise in pay. There is nothing wrong in that statement. People seem to think that it is Royal Mail’s obligation to fix the ills of society that mean we are all paying more for our groceries and energy bills, but that is just not reality. But then people seem to think we are performing some kind of life changing service to society, by posting letters through doors and delivering parcels, so perhaps they have lost sight of our place or are overvaluing what we do for a living. The harsh fact is anyone can do our job. We are all replaceable. If you don’t think we are earning what we deserve, then you have to better yourself and choose a different path in life.

It's almost as if every other 'no qualifications needed' company in the UK over the last 10 years has paid there staff for services rendered better than RM, and kept up with the economy or something. Even the ones who don't pay union fees.

Go and work for them then.

[SkiSunday]

Go and work for them then.

Ah yes, the good old "go and get another job then!" argument.

Congratulations on that response

[SkiSunday]

The payrise has already been wiped out by inflation and it will be diminished further once Rachel from accounts announces her budget.

So that is cwu fault no end of the shite you read on here from some posters.

Aiden01 has spoken...

[Chelseablue]

Tbh bored with that narrative too, go get another job. Nothing to do with being unskilled etc . Its physically demanding esp if youve done it for years in all weathers. Not many stick at it

[LouBarlow]

Go and work for them then.

Ah yes, the good old "go and get another job then!" argument.

Congratulations on that response

What else would you suggest? Earning the same as a brain surgeon or airline pilot? It is an unskilled manual labour job, and you are being paid applicably. Check out the comparable jobs that earn our wage on average - chefs, roofers, bricklayers. They all earn a similar wage to us. If you want a better paying job, then you need to learn a skill and qualify for one.