If the penny hasn’t dropped yet Lou it never will.
Have your terms and conditions got better? Why pay a fee to end up at the bottom of the downhill race a bit slower?
Do you know the definition of madness?
So you are happy to reap the benefits of a unionised workforce without contributing to it? I might be mad but there’s a word for that too.
Two points Lou.
One ,you haven’t a clue if I’m contributing or not.
Two ,what benefits am I reaping exactly. I’ve got a real terms pay cut increased workload, and the real prospect of increased bullying with zero union support.
I know it is hard to accept a union could ever behave this way, it goes against every principle you ever grew up with, but step back and look what is actually happening in your workplace.
If the penny hasn’t dropped yet Lou it never will.
Have your terms and conditions got better? Why pay a fee to end up at the bottom of the downhill race a bit slower?
Do you know the definition of madness?
So you are happy to reap the benefits of a unionised workforce without contributing to it? I might be mad but there’s a word for that too.
Two points Lou.
One ,you haven’t a clue if I’m contributing or not.
Two ,what benefits am I reaping exactly. I’ve got a real terms pay cut increased workload, and the real prospect of increased bullying with zero union support.
I know it is hard to accept a union could ever behave this way, it goes against every principle you ever grew up with, but step back and look what is actually happening in your workplace.
So you are accusing me of being ‘mad’ yet you are actually still in the union and contributing the very same way as I am? I am confused now. If you are not in the union, please let us all know what inflation busting pay rise you managed to secure on your own, how you managed to somehow negotiate an easier working day without union support and also eliminated bullying and harassment off your own back.
Unlike some members, the union leaders are realists. We are working for a failing company in a declining industry, yet they managed to secure a pay rise.
Good luck if you think you will get a better result without a union.
But we are with the union and we each pay around £130 a year for them
With a two tier workforce the union has never been weaker than it is right now. Encouraging people to leave it is just going to ultimately weaken it further. I don’t get it. We are all better off as a collective together regardless of what you think of this deal. Without a union this next transition in working methods would be even more brutal than it is going to be anyway.
Well said Lou, everyone just think for 30 seconds what the job would be like without the union and I believe it or not is being bullied by the union from the top down.
by the way thats me done and a few more in the office as well with the cwu and will be £4 a week better off next week , the cwu lost any fight they had when Terry pullinger went as he was the only one who wouldnt have agreed to the last farce of a ballott never mind this one , and i dont think we would be in the s**t we are in now with walsh and ward talking to members like there sat on royal mails board , we are f****d.
Hardly anybody voted in my office. A lot of them are not members of the CWU so were unable to vote. But even the ones that could didn’t see the point in voting NO.
A lot have given up and a few more left the Union this morning.
So just enjoy the backdated lump sum and extra few quid and relax. Don’t let the job stress you out.
Bad day for the union with that percentage of members bothering. Its not like wages are important eh! Why put any vote out after this fiasco ? Changed days , strength in numbers sadly so yesterday .
Bad day for the union with that percentage of members bothering. Its not like wages are important eh! Why put any vote out after this fiasco ? Changed days , strength in numbers sadly so yesterday .
If the penny hasn’t dropped yet Lou it never will.
Have your terms and conditions got better? Why pay a fee to end up at the bottom of the downhill race a bit slower?
Do you know the definition of madness?
So you are happy to reap the benefits of a unionised workforce without contributing to it? I might be mad but there’s a word for that too.
Two points Lou.
One ,you haven’t a clue if I’m contributing or not.
Two ,what benefits am I reaping exactly. I’ve got a real terms pay cut increased workload, and the real prospect of increased bullying with zero union support.
I know it is hard to accept a union could ever behave this way, it goes against every principle you ever grew up with, but step back and look what is actually happening in your workplace.
So you are accusing me of being ‘mad’ yet you are actually still in the union and contributing the very same way as I am? I am confused now. If you are not in the union, please let us all know what inflation busting pay rise you managed to secure on your own, how you managed to somehow negotiate an easier working day without union support and also eliminated bullying and harassment off your own back.
Unlike some members, the union leaders are realists. We are working for a failing company in a declining industry, yet they managed to secure a pay rise.
No one will have to negotiate pay rises in a few years when minimum wage catches up and it will be like or it or lump it. And when did bullying and harassment get eliminated? I'd say if anyone got "an inflation busting paydeal" it was the people on minimum wage and not us.
No one will have to negotiate pay rises in a few years when minimum wage catches up and it will be like or it or lump it. And when did bullying and harassment get eliminated? I'd say if anyone got "an inflation busting paydeal" it was the people on minimum wage and not us.
The point being made by the member, was that they were upset that such things were not part of the deal secured by the union, but he is not going to stand a chance of achieving any of that if not part of collective bargaining. Like it or not, you will get no change if we are all individuals looking out for ourselves rather than unionised.
You seem to have misread the ballot. You were voting for a pay rise. You are getting more money. It is a rise in pay.
At the end of 3 years our pay will be worth less than it is now
Love to hear you explain how that's a pay "rise"
Because you are getting more money than you were before. You can’t blame the state of the economy, the scandalous situation with our utilities companies being destroyed by overseas hedge funds and other bill rises on the CWU, Royal Mail or ‘Yes’ voters.