Martin Walsh DGSP:A message to new entrants in Royal Mail Group

[dazzler123]

When I started at Royal Mail 25 years ago I was a part time employee who worked 6days a week when colleagues around me got days off and long weekends but that was the job I took 4 years later I finally became full time but when I started nobody forced me to work there so my message is if you didn’t like the terms and conditions why take the job in the first place

You worked 6 days a week doing walks half the size, stress and workload of now. They didnt sign up realising they were on different terms to you

[Thommo44]

It's ok the longer this goes on the less union members there will be.

I don’t think any of the recent starters have joined the union in my office, and a few of the old guys have come out of the union

[SMS1969]

When I started at Royal Mail 25 years ago I was a part time employee who worked 6days a week when colleagues around me got days off and long weekends but that was the job I took 4 years later I finally became full time but when I started nobody forced me to work there so my message is if you didn’t like the terms and conditions why take the job in the first place

Eight posts in seventeen years thanks for your contribution.

The newcomers didn’t know that they’d be on such poor terms compared with us legacy contracts, had they known, they might not have signed up….

[Patmanposts]

My message to Martin

New starter here….

I DO feel let down because you said, multiple times and i quote “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed”

I gave you the benefit of the doubt and held on to your words and it did not materialise the way you painted it. There was no inkling of having to wait “years” for harmonisation from the CWU in the build up to this vote. You are still in negotiations and will be for quite some time, possibly 2 years.

[norris9]

Aren't people that joined years and years ago still getting some extra payments?

Some posties don't have to drive cos they joined before a certain year.

Didn't certain posties get better pension deals depending on the year they joined Royal Mail.

Don't workplace coaches get £30 or £40 per week even when they aren't training anyone, when it's actually non-workplace coach posties that end up doing most of the training.

Don't managers get ridiculous bonuses when it is the posties that do most of the work.


There's a lot of unfairness in general at Royal Mail.

[chickenwittle]

The post 2022 workers are about 70 quid a week worse off. About £52 million pound a year would need to be paid to equalise the pre and post 2022 workers.

Thanks to Royal Mail

[chickenwittle]

When I started at Royal Mail 25 years ago I was a part time employee who worked 6days a week when colleagues around me got days off and long weekends but that was the job I took 4 years later I finally became full time but when I started nobody forced me to work there so my message is if you didn’t like the terms and conditions why take the job in the first place

Your experience is absolutely nothing like the experience of post 2022 workers. Telling workers to fit in or f**k off harms them and you. The attitude of I'm alright jack is the sole reason why the CWU is finished.

I’m beginning to think you’re actually Simon Thompson.

[Peabrain22]

Swerving slightly but on the same road... new entrants.... apparently the first step of equalization commences in September..has anyone any idea what the first steps are? Paid breaks? Delivery supplement perhaps ?? Although I doubt that very much..

[Rumple]

“Might it be the case that new entrants feel let down?”
Walsh replies, “no I don’t accept that!”
Martin, are you saying how new entrants should feel? Should they feel lucky? Happy maybe? Ridiculous answer. He’s beginning to sound like Angela Rayner.

[Scointer]

The ‘phrasing’ keeps changing. Before it was the first step for all new entrants will happen in September, now it is the first ‘touch’ will be in September with the full plan in December.
So Martin could you please confirm what new entrants will see in September because we are now just about in August and nobody has given any inkling what the September ‘step’ will be.
Seems a bit like the nothing is agreed till everything is agreed but now we already have part 1, 2 and god knows how many more parts.
So yes new entrants have every right to be feeling let down and nervous at what information has been nailed down at this late stage.

[DryPop]

Every time I hear Martin speak I'm always left with more questions. He always manages to trickle something different in without actually confirming anything.

In fairness to him the agreement always stated these 3 & 6 month stages so I can see where he's coming from but no one on this shitty contract will be happy until its equalised.
If I was to guess to what is likely to happen in September it would be the paid breaks being the first step.

[Scointer]

Reduction in hours is the cheapest but very close with paid meal breaks so either is possible (what about both lol).


‘The cost to equalise new entrants in one go is 183 million pounds.

The reason being

You need to reduce the hours from 40 to 37 hours which increases the hourly rate for all new entrants is £27 million pounds.

Paid meal reliefs as Royal Mail have to reduce working hours for all new entrants is £28 million.

The supplements is £42 million.

Inner and outer London Weighting is worth 40 million.

Recruitment and retention payments cost 30 million.’

[tramssirhc]

When I started at Royal Mail 25 years ago I was a part time employee who worked 6days a week when colleagues around me got days off and long weekends but that was the job I took 4 years later I finally became full time but when I started nobody forced me to work there so my message is if you didn’t like the terms and conditions why take the job in the first place

Your experience is absolutely nothing like the experience of post 2022 workers. Telling workers to fit in or f**k off harms them and you. The attitude of I'm alright jack is the sole reason why the CWU is finished.

I’m beginning to think you’re actually Simon Thompson.

This is the best the CWU can do? The failure of the CWU makes your working life worse too.

[Woody84]

Same rate per hour, paid breaks, delivery supplement and no Sundays?. na, can't see it happening somehow..

Don’t mind the Sundays tbh, it’s easy work usually. But a better rate on a Sunday should be happening imo.

[Thommo44]

As I see it, where I work.
The non legacy workers work alongside a legacy worker, starting and finishing at the same time both are working a 6 hour day. The legacy takes their break, the non legacy sits and waits, after 30 minutes they start working again, finishing together, clocking out together and both get paid 6 hours.
(I know this can be in 15+15, 20+10 etc)
Then the non legacy already gets paid for the break?
It’s not the responsibility of the legacy to send them off to do another loop.