Martins comment,,

[claretandblue]

It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.

I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?

We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.

You never answered the question though
Who’s doing the first class and tracked off the other two?

If you’ve got two people doing double mail and small packets off two larger walks and someone else doing all their medium and large off the two larger walks who’s doing the tracked and first class off the two walks that aren’t going out

To have double mail you need duties not going out every day

In order for the walk you say has double mail to have double mail the two posties who are in it would have to be on something else the day before or else it wouldn’t be double would it?

They would rotate onto 2 other walks, the drivers could split the other 2 walks between 2 so 1 duty of first and all tracked and 2 duties of medium and large.

The driver in your plan who is already doing 2 larger walks of medium and large what else is he doing?

Another larger walks first and all tracked?

Yes, only 1 walk though.

but then the next 'foursome' along will have a driver doing 2+1 too and that means theres two walks needing done - who does those? You say split it with another driver but they will be doing their own 2 walks + 1 of the others in the 4

It's either this or put loads of walks back in.

[Pidleypoo]

It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.

I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?

We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.

You never answered the question though
Who’s doing the first class and tracked off the other two?

If you’ve got two people doing double mail and small packets off two larger walks and someone else doing all their medium and large off the two larger walks who’s doing the tracked and first class off the two walks that aren’t going out

To have double mail you need duties not going out every day

In order for the walk you say has double mail to have double mail the two posties who are in it would have to be on something else the day before or else it wouldn’t be double would it?

They would rotate onto 2 other walks, the drivers could split the other 2 walks between 2 so 1 duty of first and all tracked and 2 duties of medium and large.

The driver in your plan who is already doing 2 larger walks of medium and large what else is he doing?

Another larger walks first and all tracked?

Yes, only 1 walk though.

but then the next 'foursome' along will have a driver doing 2+1 too and that means theres two walks needing done - who does those? You say split it with another driver but they will be doing their own 2 walks + 1 of the others in the 4

It doesn’t work the 3 into 4 mate and you’ve repeatedly pointed out why numerous times in this thread.

The driver is looking at about 200 tracked alone off 4 duties most days and that’s without specials , boxes , collections and 1st class.

It’s such a bad idea.

[TopperGas]

It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.

I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?

We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.

You never answered the question though
Who’s doing the first class and tracked off the other two?

If you’ve got two people doing double mail and small packets off two larger walks and someone else doing all their medium and large off the two larger walks who’s doing the tracked and first class off the two walks that aren’t going out

To have double mail you need duties not going out every day

In order for the walk you say has double mail to have double mail the two posties who are in it would have to be on something else the day before or else it wouldn’t be double would it?

They would rotate onto 2 other walks, the drivers could split the other 2 walks between 2 so 1 duty of first and all tracked and 2 duties of medium and large.

The driver in your plan who is already doing 2 larger walks of medium and large what else is he doing?

Another larger walks first and all tracked?

Yes, only 1 walk though.

but then the next 'foursome' along will have a driver doing 2+1 too and that means theres two walks needing done - who does those? You say split it with another driver but they will be doing their own 2 walks + 1 of the others in the 4

It doesn’t work the 3 into 4 mate and you’ve repeatedly pointed out why numerous times in this thread.

The driver is looking at about 200 tracked alone off 4 duties most days and that’s without specials , boxes , collections and 1st class.

It’s such a bad idea.

Unless a driver gets stuck with 3 non drivers, there will always be two drivers doing tracked, most days the driver will be doing up to 150 tracked, although peak could be an issue when it's 200+ but RM will have to deal with that when it happens.

[Chelseablue]

Why do RM always come up with awful ideas !! Imagine moral, and sick absence if this comes in.

[citypostie]

Why do RM always come up with awful ideas !! Imagine moral, and sick absence if this comes in.

The office near me that's in the trial and has been for a couple of months has got record people off sick , it's a total car crash . They are shipping people in from all over and it's costing more money but failing worse than when it started.

[A2B]

Why do RM always come up with awful ideas !! Imagine moral, and sick absence if this comes in.

You have described exactly what has happened at Southend

[Barnacle]

Why do RM always come up with awful ideas !! Imagine moral, and sick absence if this comes in.

You have described exactly what has happened at Southend

Absolutely terrible. I bet their hearts sank when first they heard no more pilots would be deployed but then the bombshell that they were going to persist in trying to ‘fix the pilot offices which are live’

[TopperGas]

Why do RM always come up with awful ideas !! Imagine moral, and sick absence if this comes in.

You have described exactly what has happened at Southend

Absolutely terrible. I bet their hearts sank when first they heard no more pilots would be deployed but then the bombshell that they were going to persist in trying to ‘fix the pilot offices which are live’

There's no way the pilots were ever going to be scrapped, as sooner or later the USO changes will be rolled out national wide. I can't see DK ever saying "OK guys lets scrap saving up to £450m p.a. for the next few years"

[Acca Dacca]

Why do RM always come up with awful ideas !! Imagine moral, and sick absence if this comes in.

You have described exactly what has happened at Southend

Absolutely terrible. I bet their hearts sank when first they heard no more pilots would be deployed but then the bombshell that they were going to persist in trying to ‘fix the pilot offices which are live’

There's no way the pilots were ever going to be scrapped, as sooner or later the USO changes will be rolled out national wide. I can't see DK ever saying "OK guys lets scrap saving up to £450m p.a. for the next few years"

They only save it, if it works.

[Pidleypoo]

It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.

I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?

We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.

You never answered the question though
Who’s doing the first class and tracked off the other two?

If you’ve got two people doing double mail and small packets off two larger walks and someone else doing all their medium and large off the two larger walks who’s doing the tracked and first class off the two walks that aren’t going out

To have double mail you need duties not going out every day

In order for the walk you say has double mail to have double mail the two posties who are in it would have to be on something else the day before or else it wouldn’t be double would it?

They would rotate onto 2 other walks, the drivers could split the other 2 walks between 2 so 1 duty of first and all tracked and 2 duties of medium and large.

The driver in your plan who is already doing 2 larger walks of medium and large what else is he doing?

Another larger walks first and all tracked?

Yes, only 1 walk though.

but then the next 'foursome' along will have a driver doing 2+1 too and that means theres two walks needing done - who does those? You say split it with another driver but they will be doing their own 2 walks + 1 of the others in the 4

It doesn’t work the 3 into 4 mate and you’ve repeatedly pointed out why numerous times in this thread.

The driver is looking at about 200 tracked alone off 4 duties most days and that’s without specials , boxes , collections and 1st class.

It’s such a bad idea.

Unless a driver gets stuck with 3 non drivers, there will always be two drivers doing tracked, most days the driver will be doing up to 150 tracked, although peak could be an issue when it's 200+ but RM will have to deal with that when it happens.

They’re not going to have 3 people plus a dpr driver doing large parcels so unless a massive amount of deliveries go back in the driver will be doing them or the 2 other people doing mail won’t be doing all of 2 deliveries.

[SkiSunday]

Why do RM always come up with awful ideas !! Imagine moral, and sick absence if this comes in.

The office near me that's in the trial and has been for a couple of months has got record people off sick , it's a total car crash . They are shipping people in from all over and it's costing more money but failing worse than when it started.

Hilarious ain't it

[SpacePhoenix]

There's no way the pilots were ever going to be scrapped, as sooner or later the USO changes will be rolled out national wide. I can't see DK ever saying "OK guys lets scrap saving up to £450m p.a. for the next few years"

The USO changes are due to be phased in across DOs from later this month. It'll be 2 o3 3 DOs going live in each phase in the area covered by the MC.

[goldy2007]

1 annual leave cover
1 reserve
For every 5 rounds

Simple

Throw in manageable rounds with a decent OT rate if any off on the sick

Let’s call it like it was the 1990s

All offices clear every day

[Barnacle]

1 annual leave cover
1 reserve
For every 5 rounds

Simple

Throw in manageable rounds with a decent OT rate if any off on the sick

Let’s call it like it was the 1990s

All offices clear every day

The calculation RM uses is 1 to 7.

[enskied]

No competition for delivering mail, yet I suspect that RM are making a fortune out of it at the moment.

There's no competition because there's next to no profit in delivering letters.

It's 100% profit to receive payment and not provide what was paid for.