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Martins comment,,

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TopperGas wrote:
16 Jul 2025, 19:09
norris9 wrote:
16 Jul 2025, 07:06
Not sure how you can give letters a boost.... but I sure as heck don't understand why people still get the amount of letters they do, that is a mystery to me.

The amount of houses on my round that have letters daily is crazy to me. Not just 1 letter, but 3 - 7 letters daily. What information do people need that often and in that amount.
when you hand it to them they usually don't want it any way, just a pity the mail service doesn't operate a scheme similar to TPS for phone calls where you can block any mail unless you've agreed the companies can write to you with sales magazines etc.
Like the Mail Preference Scheme for example?

https://www.mpsonline.org.uk/
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Chelseablue wrote:
14 Jul 2025, 20:20
So martin says the new way of working3/4 duties is not working, and might only work in a smal office or rural office . So what now?
He made that comment and then in almost the next breath spoke about fixing issues in existing pilots. Tony Bouch said the same.

Why? It is a pilot that doesn’t work, it doesn’t save money, it does not improve QofS, it is horrible for the staff working it, it is a dead pilot.

Pilot offices should use their colllective union power to kick it out.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Barnacle wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 06:30

He made that comment and then in almost the next breath spoke about fixing issues in existing pilots. Tony Bouch said the same.

Why? It is a pilot that doesn’t work, it doesn’t save money, it does not improve QofS, it is horrible for the staff working it, it is a dead pilot.

Pilot offices should use their colllective union power to kick it out.

Agreed. If something is fundamentally broken, you don't fix it - you replace it. The ODM isn't a pilot but a blueprint for future restructuring and the CWU HQ are far too invested in it now to walk away. By talking about "fixing" the issues they are essentially buying time, softening any opposition and hoping that staff fatigue does the rest. These trial offices should demand an immediate pause on these pilots and hold a workplace meeting to vote on the model. If it's just more work with less time then they should refuse to cooperate with it. The sooner that it is recognised and challenged collectively then the better chance that staff have of stopping it before it becomes the new normal.

Sadly, the CWU leadership aren't interested in that. Thats why they need replacing ASAP.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
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postslippete wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 06:58
These trial offices should demand an immediate pause on these pilots and hold a workplace meeting to vote on the model. If it's just more work with less time then they should refuse to cooperate with it. The sooner that it is recognised and challenged collectively then the better chance that staff have of stopping it before it becomes the new normal.
Not a trial from later this month. It starts going live in phases around the country from later this month.
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 09:59
postslippete wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 06:58
These trial offices should demand an immediate pause on these pilots and hold a workplace meeting to vote on the model. If it's just more work with less time then they should refuse to cooperate with it. The sooner that it is recognised and challenged collectively then the better chance that staff have of stopping it before it becomes the new normal.
Not a trial from later this month. It starts going live in phases around the country from later this month.
Not with union support or co operation
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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Union have to give go ahead too. Surely wont
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claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 07:04
It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 12:54
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 07:04
It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?
We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.
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claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 13:00
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 12:54
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 07:04
It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?
We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.
You never answered the question though
Who’s doing the first class and tracked off the other two?

If you’ve got two people doing double mail and small packets off two larger walks and someone else doing all their medium and large off the two larger walks who’s doing the tracked and first class off the two walks that aren’t going out

To have double mail you need duties not going out every day

In order for the walk you say has double mail to have double mail the two posties who are in it would have to be on something else the day before or else it wouldn’t be double would it?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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Chelseablue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 11:18
Union have to give go ahead too. Surely wont
They have to start listening to unit reps and members in pilot offices.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Martins comment,,

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Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 14:05
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 13:00
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 12:54
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 07:04
It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?
We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.
You never answered the question though
Who’s doing the first class and tracked off the other two?

If you’ve got two people doing double mail and small packets off two larger walks and someone else doing all their medium and large off the two larger walks who’s doing the tracked and first class off the two walks that aren’t going out

To have double mail you need duties not going out every day

In order for the walk you say has double mail to have double mail the two posties who are in it would have to be on something else the day before or else it wouldn’t be double would it?
They would rotate onto 2 other walks, the drivers could split the other 2 walks between 2 so 1 duty of first and all tracked and 2 duties of medium and large.
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claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 14:20
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 14:05
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 13:00
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 12:54
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 07:04
It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?
We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.
You never answered the question though
Who’s doing the first class and tracked off the other two?

If you’ve got two people doing double mail and small packets off two larger walks and someone else doing all their medium and large off the two larger walks who’s doing the tracked and first class off the two walks that aren’t going out

To have double mail you need duties not going out every day

In order for the walk you say has double mail to have double mail the two posties who are in it would have to be on something else the day before or else it wouldn’t be double would it?
They would rotate onto 2 other walks, the drivers could split the other 2 walks between 2 so 1 duty of first and all tracked and 2 duties of medium and large.
The driver in your plan who is already doing 2 larger walks of medium and large what else is he doing?

Another larger walks first and all tracked?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
claretandblue
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Re: Martins comment,,

Post by claretandblue »

Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 14:29
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 14:20
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 14:05
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 13:00
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 12:54
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 07:04
It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?
We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.
You never answered the question though
Who’s doing the first class and tracked off the other two?

If you’ve got two people doing double mail and small packets off two larger walks and someone else doing all their medium and large off the two larger walks who’s doing the tracked and first class off the two walks that aren’t going out

To have double mail you need duties not going out every day

In order for the walk you say has double mail to have double mail the two posties who are in it would have to be on something else the day before or else it wouldn’t be double would it?
They would rotate onto 2 other walks, the drivers could split the other 2 walks between 2 so 1 duty of first and all tracked and 2 duties of medium and large.
The driver in your plan who is already doing 2 larger walks of medium and large what else is he doing?

Another larger walks first and all tracked?
Yes, only 1 walk though.
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Re: Martins comment,,

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claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 15:08
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 14:29
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 14:20
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 14:05
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 13:00
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 12:54
claretandblue wrote:
17 Jul 2025, 07:04
It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
I don’t think you’ve thought this through

Who’s doing the trackers and first class on the other two walks? Or is every two duties to have three people doing it resulting in the opposite of making savings?
We know that 3 into 4 doesn't work, you will be able to make the walks slightly bigger if you're talking the medium and large off, there's your savings.
You never answered the question though
Who’s doing the first class and tracked off the other two?

If you’ve got two people doing double mail and small packets off two larger walks and someone else doing all their medium and large off the two larger walks who’s doing the tracked and first class off the two walks that aren’t going out

To have double mail you need duties not going out every day

In order for the walk you say has double mail to have double mail the two posties who are in it would have to be on something else the day before or else it wouldn’t be double would it?
They would rotate onto 2 other walks, the drivers could split the other 2 walks between 2 so 1 duty of first and all tracked and 2 duties of medium and large.
The driver in your plan who is already doing 2 larger walks of medium and large what else is he doing?

Another larger walks first and all tracked?
Yes, only 1 walk though.
but then the next 'foursome' along will have a driver doing 2+1 too and that means theres two walks needing done - who does those? You say split it with another driver but they will be doing their own 2 walks + 1 of the others in the 4
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next