CWU:Rebuilding Royal Mail – A step towards a better future – The CWU Postal Executive has unanimously endorsed Rebuilding Royal Mail part two

[Valentina@1]

Can’t wait to listen to ward/walsh for next month or so selling this crap deal to members.

Feeling so unmotivated right now,this deal is so bad

Sad times

[Pidleypoo]

New entrants get moved from frame to frame with the added stress and instability that brings.
New entrants get last dibs on offers of a fulltime contract.
New entrants don't get to chose which frame they sign up to.
New entrants lose out on all sorts opportunities due to the "closed club" culture that exists.

This was the same for practically every one of us on the legacy contracts

Do you think we werent reserves too when we started or something?

I waited 10 years to get my own walk and 16 years to go from PT to FT

My first few years were spent being sent to a different office practically every day as a spare

Whilst I agree that we should all be on the same terms in terms of pay - some new entrants seem to think they shouldnt have to 'bide their time' for stuff the rest of us had to

I'd happily "bide my time" if I were paid the same rate. I'm a newbie, yes, but this "I was here first" stuff encapsulates everything, and TBH it's really tiresome. This exchange is the product of a multiple tier workforce, and is exactly what they intended.
You say "This was the same for practically every one of us on the legacy contracts ". No it absolutely wasn't. When you were cutting your teeth in your new career, you were paid the same as your more experienced colleagues. You just had extra stuff to learn, which is more stressful, yes. But you paid the SAME.

In fact, listening to you legacy guys going on, we're doing larger walks now, than in the old days. So in fact, as a learner, I'm doing a hell of a lot more now than you did, when you were on your learning phase of your career, on reduced level of pay that you didn't have to tolerate.

We weren’t paid the same actually, it was a year before i was on the same amount.

[TopperGas]

"" new entrants get moved frame to frame " . That's it I have enough of this rubbish. When we were new entrants we were moved from night shift station , late shift MC , early shift delivery back on lates all in one month. Plum overtime went to seniors. Over 60s had rounds reduced to help them cope. To be honest its pathetic today. No wonder they can't recruit. They probably get upset mum can't come in and make them breakfast I understand pay should be equal for the same amount of work. Goes without saying . But moaning because you get moved frame to frame. Thats where you lose the argument Unbelievable.

Can you name any other business where this best paid staff have the easiest jobs whilst the worst paid staff have the hardest jobs? Somebody with 20 years experience is just left to plod along on the duty they've done for decades whilst a newbie is sent out doing double mail on a duty they haven't even been fully trained on. Just saying that's how it's always been doesn't make it right?

[Bellaber]

Collection staff are being included in our repick

[tramssirhc]

Part 3 will sort it all out.

[thefox]

"" new entrants get moved frame to frame " . That's it I have enough of this rubbish. When we were new entrants we were moved from night shift station , late shift MC , early shift delivery back on lates all in one month. Plum overtime went to seniors. Over 60s had rounds reduced to help them cope. To be honest its pathetic today. No wonder they can't recruit. They probably get upset mum can't come in and make them breakfast I understand pay should be equal for the same amount of work. Goes without saying . But moaning because you get moved frame to frame. Thats where you lose the argument Unbelievable.

Well said wullie, whinging about getting moved about boo f***ing hoo what do they want their own duty the moment moment they start.unbelievable and for the record I believe you should be on same rate as us but for fucksake stop thinking your hard done by getting moved about.

[fadetogrey63]

Part 3 will sort it all out.

Whenever or if part 3 comes in I can see us on new contracts getting the same hourly rate, but I'm not so convinced on us getting paid breaks or the weekly delivery supplement, so the pay gap will still be there.. another big thing for me is the monthly Sunday's at a diff office I have to do, on the same hourly rate.. the contracts will never be equal

[Scointer]

Part 3 will sort it all out.

Until they add a part four, then five

Also now they have added the clause about time served for new entrants counting you can be sure the first step to equalisation will be at least three years into the job, as some new entrants have already been on these terms for over 2 1/2 years already and you can be certain they won’t want to back date any terms/pay.

They also only talk about per hour pay and paid breaks for equalisation. They are the easy things (albeit probably the most important). There is no mention about the supplements (delivery/Sunday etc), Sunday working as normal, monthly paid etc, I can’t see how these could be changed now so there wouldn’t be full equalisation no matter how long the incremental steps are set at (I am guessing first increment at three years then another at five).
I guess this is what the union don’t want you to see yet as they know people won’t be happy, so want to push through the uso with promise of jam tomorrow for new entrants being strung out. Why else does it take till December for full path to equalisation but 15th July for USO agreement.

On the other side new entrants get 1.25 after 40 hours. I can see them equalising this for the old contracts in exchange for getting rid of the supplements. Two equalisations with one stone there.

Remember ‘nothing is agreed till everything is agreed’…but can we vote on accepting part 1, part 2, part 3 etc lol what a joke.

[voodou7628]

I have 27 years service for the first 15 years I had no duty as staff never left it was a career for life I was used anywhere I was needed covered every duty in in a large office 100s of walks it was the norm some days I was on a duty for a day sometimes a couple weeks but always got moved .So to be honest if you don't have seniority you gonna have to deal with it there has never been a easier time for new entrants to get dutys with the amount of staff leaving stop moaning

[tramssirhc]

Lets be honest part 1 and 2 dont live up to the hype so part 3, just like return of the jedi, will be a flop.

[antcpfc]

New entrants get moved from frame to frame with the added stress and instability that brings.
New entrants get last dibs on offers of a fulltime contract.
New entrants don't get to chose which frame they sign up to.
New entrants lose out on all sorts opportunities due to the "closed club" culture that exists.

This was the same for practically every one of us on the legacy contracts

Do you think we werent reserves too when we started or something?

I waited 10 years to get my own walk and 16 years to go from PT to FT

My first few years were spent being sent to a different office practically every day as a spare

Whilst I agree that we should all be on the same terms in terms of pay - some new entrants seem to think they shouldnt have to 'bide their time' for stuff the rest of us had to

I'd happily "bide my time" if I were paid the same rate. I'm a newbie, yes, but this "I was here first" stuff encapsulates everything, and TBH it's really tiresome. This exchange is the product of a multiple tier workforce, and is exactly what they intended.
You say "This was the same for practically every one of us on the legacy contracts ". No it absolutely wasn't. When you were cutting your teeth in your new career, you were paid the same as your more experienced colleagues. You just had extra stuff to learn, which is more stressful, yes. But you paid the SAME.

In fact, listening to you legacy guys going on, we're doing larger walks now, than in the old days. So in fact, as a learner, I'm doing a hell of a lot more now than you did, when you were on your learning phase of your career, on reduced level of pay that you didn't have to tolerate.

We weren’t paid the same actually, it was a year before i was on the same amount.

Same here. Holidays were picked on seniority and I was moved on a daily basis to the s**t walks that nobody wanted.
Doesn’t make it right but that’s the company we work for.

[gypu1999]

The elephant in the room is that no one forced any of the new contracts into the position they are in. They took the job knowing they were going to be paid less and not have all the same benefits as a legacy member. Yet the CWU who want to change that are the ones that are being attacked.

Go figure

You are an absolute clown.

[hero22]

The elephant in the room is that no one forced any of the new contracts into the position they are in. They took the job knowing they were going to be paid less and not have all the same benefits as a legacy member. Yet the CWU who want to change that are the ones that are being attacked.

Go figure

You are an absolute clown.

Which bit did he say is wrong ?

[hero22]

New entrants get moved from frame to frame with the added stress and instability that brings.
New entrants get last dibs on offers of a fulltime contract.
New entrants don't get to chose which frame they sign up to.
New entrants lose out on all sorts opportunities due to the "closed club" culture that exists.

This was the same for practically every one of us on the legacy contracts

Do you think we werent reserves too when we started or something?

I waited 10 years to get my own walk and 16 years to go from PT to FT

My first few years were spent being sent to a different office practically every day as a spare

Whilst I agree that we should all be on the same terms in terms of pay - some new entrants seem to think they shouldnt have to 'bide their time' for stuff the rest of us had to

I'd happily "bide my time" if I were paid the same rate. I'm a newbie, yes, but this "I was here first" stuff encapsulates everything, and TBH it's really tiresome. This exchange is the product of a multiple tier workforce, and is exactly what they intended.
You say "This was the same for practically every one of us on the legacy contracts ". No it absolutely wasn't. When you were cutting your teeth in your new career, you were paid the same as your more experienced colleagues. You just had extra stuff to learn, which is more stressful, yes. But you paid the SAME.

In fact, listening to you legacy guys going on, we're doing larger walks now, than in the old days. So in fact, as a learner, I'm doing a hell of a lot more now than you did, when you were on your learning phase of your career, on reduced level of pay that you didn't have to tolerate.

For the first year no we weren’t paid the same. Took a year to be on equal pay and a hell of a lot longer to get upgrades in contracts in terms of weekly hours. For years no set day off, moved from pillar to post and yet through it all no one held a gun to my head and forced me to stay. Some new starts seem very entitled but again who is forcing you to stay ?

[Philbag70]

Good old "divide and conquer ".
Working a treat here.
The crooked charlatans in charge are the ones you need to direct your ire at, not your colleagues.