EP Group tear up Dave Ward's groundbreaking agreement

[tramssirhc]

Absolutely nothing from Ward and Walsh as even more branches and divisions withdraw cooperation.

How do you know? Which areas?

Ask Ward and Walsh. Why not ask your own branch or division.

[SpacePhoenix]

Royal Mail want ofcom to give the green light for uso reform by 1st July. Ofcom have said they will make announcement “in the summer” which very well could be 1st July. Royal Mail have already started the planning for uso change even in offices which arnt in the pilot. All this without union agreement, Ward and Walsh said there would be no uso agreement before everything was settled in the agreement with EP.
We are possibly 10 days away from the one bargaining chip the union have in negotiations disappearing away. Where the hell are Ward and Walsh? Why the silence?
They did this last time and Walsh said lessons will be learned and more communication would be given next time and any future agreement wouldn’t be “served cold”Clearly a lie. They hold the paying members in complete contempt.

The MC side of it is already to go everywhere. All flat and letter frames have got indicators to show if it's 1C or 2C being sorted on them. It won't take long to stock up a tray label frame with new 2C tray labels. I'm assuming that we'll start sorting the inward 1C and 2C on separate frames from July 1st.

[BELIAL]

Maybe the region should hold a ballot on PWRFC affiliation?

Are you serious?
Do you honestly think they would get more than a handful of votes?

Given the voting proclivities of the English they would all vote Reform before voting PWRFC.

Well , there is one way to find out. Why not have a lively debate, get all the facts out there and let the members have their say. Certainly would increase engagement levels. Might get more of a turnout than Martin and Dave done deal combined.

Don’t think lord haw haw would qualify for the ballot.

[Sean06]

It really is exposing the PEC for what they are.
I guess their tactics are keep quiet and wait for it to blow over and hoping not many members get wind of it.
Maybe the region should hold a ballot on PWRFC affiliation?

[scotchy1962]

There's no way my DO would have gone on all out strike just to support new starters contracts.

It wasn’t so much about being altruistic and “supporting new entrants” back in 2022; it was more about the fact you guys and your union should have fought the two-tier working to save your closed shop while you had the chance. You didn’t. Massive, massive own goal. The CWU and its union, including its membership, is now terminally ill as a result.

On the subject of strikes, I reckon a good 90 per cent of us new entrants would have no qualms with crossing a picket line. Some of us have done it before and would do it again.

Smooth your probably spot on with your thoughts, but i do have a problem with what you state. Do you believe that you "New Entrants" will never have any need for a union? Do you believe if the company levels up so that it's back to a 1 tier workforce that you still won't need a union?
It's the blase way you state 90% of the Newbies would cross a picket line, that makes me think you might just always be a 2 tier workforce as the legacy will trump you every chance they get.
You should all really try to get on the one side, get the contracts levelled up, back each other up and have everyone onside to get the best outcome for all.
I know its maybe a pipedream, but i have been around long enough to see what can happen.

[Valentina@1]

Anyone seen Martin Walsh?

[Smoothbackground]

Smooth your probably spot on with your thoughts, but i do have a problem with what you state. Do you believe that you "New Entrants" will never have any need for a union? Do you believe if the company levels up so that it's back to a 1 tier workforce that you still won't need a union?
It's the blase way you state 90% of the Newbies would cross a picket line, that makes me think you might just always be a 2 tier workforce as the legacy will trump you every chance they get.
You should all really try to get on the one side, get the contracts levelled up, back each other up and have everyone onside to get the best outcome for all.
I know its maybe a pipedream, but i have been around long enough to see what can happen.

Scotchy, you are right, I do believe other new entrants will have a need/want for union representation. But I don’t think it will ever be the CWU who represents us. Unfortunately the interests of legacy workers, on the one hand, and us on new-entrant contracts on the other hand, mean the CWU has an irretrievable conflict of interest in trying to represent both groups of workers. This whole “them v us” was acquiesced to at best, waved through and welcomed at worst, by the CWU. And I wasn’t very clear, but it was crossing a CWU picket line that I was referring to, rather than just any old picket.

[Pidleypoo]

Royal Mail want ofcom to give the green light for uso reform by 1st July. Ofcom have said they will make announcement “in the summer” which very well could be 1st July. Royal Mail have already started the planning for uso change even in offices which arnt in the pilot. All this without union agreement, Ward and Walsh said there would be no uso agreement before everything was settled in the agreement with EP.
We are possibly 10 days away from the one bargaining chip the union have in negotiations disappearing away. Where the hell are Ward and Walsh? Why the silence?
They did this last time and Walsh said lessons will be learned and more communication would be given next time and any future agreement wouldn’t be “served cold”Clearly a lie. They hold the paying members in complete contempt.

The MC side of it is already to go everywhere. All flat and letter frames have got indicators to show if it's 1C or 2C being sorted on them. It won't take long to stock up a tray label frame with new 2C tray labels. I'm assuming that we'll start sorting the inward 1C and 2C on separate frames from July 1st.

Been told today that our uso reform won’t be happening until after Christmas.

That came form the managers.

[Londonsburning]

Smooth your probably spot on with your thoughts, but i do have a problem with what you state. Do you believe that you "New Entrants" will never have any need for a union? Do you believe if the company levels up so that it's back to a 1 tier workforce that you still won't need a union?
It's the blase way you state 90% of the Newbies would cross a picket line, that makes me think you might just always be a 2 tier workforce as the legacy will trump you every chance they get.
You should all really try to get on the one side, get the contracts levelled up, back each other up and have everyone onside to get the best outcome for all.
I know its maybe a pipedream, but i have been around long enough to see what can happen.

Scotchy, you are right, I do believe other new entrants will have a need/want for union representation. But I don’t think it will ever be the CWU who represents us. Unfortunately the interests of legacy workers, on the one hand, and us on new-entrant contracts on the other hand, mean the CWU has an irretrievable conflict of interest in trying to represent both groups of workers. This whole “them v us” was acquiesced to at best, waved through and welcomed at worst, by the CWU. And I wasn’t very clear, but it was crossing a CWU picket line that I was referring to, rather than just any old picket.

*waived

[SMS1969]

Let’s hope it keeps getting pushed back, eventually not happening at all. You can dream….

[Londonsburning]

I'm starting to think that corruption may just be endemic in this country..

[TopperGas]

Royal Mail want ofcom to give the green light for uso reform by 1st July. Ofcom have said they will make announcement “in the summer” which very well could be 1st July. Royal Mail have already started the planning for uso change even in offices which arnt in the pilot. All this without union agreement, Ward and Walsh said there would be no uso agreement before everything was settled in the agreement with EP.
We are possibly 10 days away from the one bargaining chip the union have in negotiations disappearing away. Where the hell are Ward and Walsh? Why the silence?
They did this last time and Walsh said lessons will be learned and more communication would be given next time and any future agreement wouldn’t be “served cold”Clearly a lie. They hold the paying members in complete contempt.

The MC side of it is already to go everywhere. All flat and letter frames have got indicators to show if it's 1C or 2C being sorted on them. It won't take long to stock up a tray label frame with new 2C tray labels. I'm assuming that we'll start sorting the inward 1C and 2C on separate frames from July 1st.

Been told today that our uso reform won’t be happening until after Christmas.

That came form the managers.

We've been told the opposite it seems meetings are taking place to plan the move for later this summer. If OFCOM gives the OK this summer why would RM wait until after Christmas to start saving money?

[A2B]

We've been told the opposite it seems meetings are taking place to plan the move for later this summer. If OFCOM gives the OK this summer why would RM wait until after Christmas to start saving money?

Pretty sure RM are not saving any money with the trials/pilots they have going on at the moment and to push that out to the rest of the UK before working out a solution would be madness.

[clashcityrocker]

Scotchy, you are right, I do believe other new entrants will have a need/want for union representation. But I don’t think it will ever be the CWU who represents us. Unfortunately the interests of legacy workers, on the one hand, and us on new-entrant contracts on the other hand, mean the CWU has an irretrievable conflict of interest in trying to represent both groups of workers. This whole “them v us” was acquiesced to at best, waved through and welcomed at worst, by the CWU. And I wasn’t very clear, but it was crossing a CWU picket line that I was referring to, rather than just any old picket.

*waived

If you are going to be a grammar nazi, you should probably have a good command of the English language.
Her command is clearly better than your command.
You come across as a bit of an ignorant prick.

Shouldn't we have a skiing emoji for Londonsburning?

[Smoothbackground]

Shouldn't we have a skiing emoji for Londonsburning?

We really should!