LTB 102/25 - USO Reform – National Joint Statements/Updated Communication

[SpacePhoenix]

more mail than we should be getting coming into the unit every day (management speak, not mine - something to do with programming)

Letters or flats? If it's letters then it's just more stuff being released by the DTS than expected. Possibly a combination of getting a load of 1C or a lot of mail hitting the 5 day limit. Either of them will result in an increase in the amount of mail being released by the DTS.

[jbo5066]

Both

[claretandblue]

more mail than we should be getting coming into the unit every day (management speak, not mine - something to do with programming)

Letters or flats? If it's letters then it's just more stuff being released by the DTS than expected. Possibly a combination of getting a load of 1C or a lot of mail hitting the 5 day limit. Either of them will result in an increase in the amount of mail being released by the DTS.

1st class in the sequenced is rarer than hens teeth, 99.9% is dsa mail.

[Perseus]

If there’s not enough drivers to make duty patterns work then what?

My office has over 70 duties and only half drive for company ie…(dine change over)

Seems to me that if the staff numbers don’t add up then you don’t get the better shift patterns.
Have they done the scoping exercise on staff who don’t drive that is talked about in this thread?

[jbo5066]

If there’s not enough drivers to make duty patterns work then what?

My office has over 70 duties and only half drive for company ie…(dine change over)

Seems to me that if the staff numbers don’t add up then you don’t get the better shift patterns.
Have they done the scoping exercise on staff who don’t drive that is talked about in this thread?

Prior to implementation at ours, they asked non drivers if they wanted to drive - some said yes, some no - no pressure put on those that didn't want to...

[TopperGas]

We started our trial 3 weeks ago.. non drivers do 2 days mail every day - on 1 walk, Mon Wed, Fri, on another walk, Tues Thurs - rotate the following week; on Saturday if it is their Saturday in, they put d2ds in the frames for the unit .. As for the trial itself, mail being brought back, some people left, some seriously considering it, more mail than we should be getting coming into the unit every day (management speak, not mine - something to do with programming), drivers doing 1c and packets on 2 walks can't complete so in some cases they are being allowed to leave the letters and standard packets, resulting in 1c not going out every day as required by the USO change - other than that, everything is hunky dory!

and so it begins, it always seemed likely Ic would get left for the mail posties to deliver.

[qwerty2]

If there’s not enough drivers to make duty patterns work then what?

My office has over 70 duties and only half drive for company ie…(dine change over)

Seems to me that if the staff numbers don’t add up then you don’t get the better shift patterns.
Have they done the scoping exercise on staff who don’t drive that is talked about in this thread?

Prior to implementation at ours, they asked non drivers if they wanted to drive - some said yes, some no - no pressure put on those that didn't want to...

What do you mean - are they going to give non drivers driving lessons?

[qwerty2]

We started our trial 3 weeks ago.. non drivers do 2 days mail every day - on 1 walk, Mon Wed, Fri, on another walk, Tues Thurs - rotate the following week; on Saturday if it is their Saturday in, they put d2ds in the frames for the unit .. As for the trial itself, mail being brought back, some people left, some seriously considering it, more mail than we should be getting coming into the unit every day (management speak, not mine - something to do with programming), drivers doing 1c and packets on 2 walks can't complete so in some cases they are being allowed to leave the letters and standard packets, resulting in 1c not going out every day as required by the USO change - other than that, everything is hunky dory!

and so it begins, it always seemed likely Ic would get left for the mail posties to deliver.

Then they’ll get more and more little pkts to take

[claretandblue]

If there’s not enough drivers to make duty patterns work then what?

My office has over 70 duties and only half drive for company ie…(dine change over)

Seems to me that if the staff numbers don’t add up then you don’t get the better shift patterns.
Have they done the scoping exercise on staff who don’t drive that is talked about in this thread?

Prior to implementation at ours, they asked non drivers if they wanted to drive - some said yes, some no - no pressure put on those that didn't want to...

What do you mean - are they going to give non drivers driving lessons?

He means non drivers who have a licence.

[Smoothbackground]

What do you mean - are they going to give non drivers driving lessons?

Yes. Or at least they are asking non-driving people at ours if they’d be interested in having driving lessons paid for by the company.

[Perseus]

What do you mean - are they going to give non drivers driving lessons?

Yes. Or at least they are asking non-driving people at ours if they’d be interested in having driving lessons paid for by the company.

I think people would be silly to turn that offer down.

[jbo5066]

If there’s not enough drivers to make duty patterns work then what?

My office has over 70 duties and only half drive for company ie…(dine change over)

Seems to me that if the staff numbers don’t add up then you don’t get the better shift patterns.
Have they done the scoping exercise on staff who don’t drive that is talked about in this thread?

Prior to implementation at ours, they asked non drivers if they wanted to drive - some said yes, some no - no pressure put on those that didn't want to...

What do you mean - are they going to give non drivers driving lessons?

No, they are ok with them being non drivers, presumably because while we still deliver letters, there is a job for non drivers ...

[jbo5066]

Both license holders and non ...

[Mr Rush]

What do you mean - are they going to give non drivers driving lessons?

Yes. Or at least they are asking non-driving people at ours if they’d be interested in having driving lessons paid for by the company.

I think people would be silly to turn that offer down.

I asked about this when P&L was being introduced and was answered with a flat 'no'! Presumably because at the time there were far more non-drivers (I estimate three times more), and anyway there was a perfectly good passenger seat in every van. Now that they know there are only 8,000-odd remaining they can see the goose egg is close at hand and much more inclinded to shell out to attain it.

[thefox]

MW clearly said nobody will be walking more than 3 days on trot.

How on earth that gonna work?

That’s not possible for non drivers, unless they have a Thursday off every week and rotate the drivers day off. But that’s not how it’s supposed to work.

I think MW actually said 3 days per week not consecutive days but that obviously still won't work for non drivers, I think it's becoming clear they're not wanted

Cast out and unwanted