The 20% release would not work with ODM. Under Martin's sellout the unaddressed mail has to be delivered either over 2 days or 3 days depending on the rotation of the duties.SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 15:52What they should be doing is instead of axing them, force the firms sending them to make them machine sortable, with a proper address but no addressee name. We could then run them through the machines, with the possibly the CSS extracting any DPs who have an active opt-out. They could perhaps have the DTS release say 20% each day. That's got to make it easier to work with them in the DOs
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tramssirhc
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"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
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OikOik
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My DO has a about 9 non drivers so god knows how this will work when a driver goes off sick.
2 drivers, 1 non driver working 4 walks. 1 driver goes off sick. Now you have 1 driver 1 non driver to cover 4 walks.
2 drivers, 1 non driver working 4 walks. 1 driver goes off sick. Now you have 1 driver 1 non driver to cover 4 walks.
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ted_e_bear
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There you go again not paying attention, newsflash....things are about to change and despite what you might think that includes your mail centreSpacePhoenix wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 17:26As it stands there are NO changes to the way the DTS works.ted_e_bear wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 16:52You're not paying attention are you, the plan is to only deliver mail 5 times per fortnight so releasing 20% per day won't really fit.SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 15:52What they should be doing is instead of axing them, force the firms sending them to make them machine sortable, with a proper address but no addressee name. We could then run them through the machines, with the possibly the CSS extracting any DPs who have an active opt-out. They could perhaps have the DTS release say 20% each day. That's got to make it easier to work with them in the DOs
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Sean06
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Will you ever answer the qustion what pwrfc is doing for postal workers...tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 18:55What's your beloved CWU doing about it?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 17:08Get the pwrfc on to it they will have it sorted in no time.tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 15:36What's happening with singleton duties like rurals is still to be sorted. One of the problems with rurals is the geographical spread. It was planned to combine them on a Saturday but for some it would mean driving significant miles. Singleton duties wont be subjected to ODM which is going to cause a lot of discontent. Workers will be seeing singleton duties carry on as now, apart from Saturdays, whilst they try to deliver the core and combined duties. The CWU has no answer.Chelseablue wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 14:15God this new erm system sounds so straightforward and smooth running ! So much can and will go wrong big time. Rurals i take it will be taking a bit of a burden too i hope , like the rest of us slaves ?
One answer is to defend and increase singleton duties, primarily for workers with contract variation such as no obligation to drive. Most workplaces are located where walking duties can be easily reinstated even if this means transporting and bags dropping for duties. Again the CWU aren't interested in doing this because it's not the plan for Martin Walsh's profit driven method.
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Acca Dacca
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The same as what happens now when a driver goes sick in your office
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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SpacePhoenix
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Dream on if you think that the DTS will be changing. The whole principle of DTS is that there isn't 2C released if there's no 1C item for a DP, up to the 5 day limit.ted_e_bear wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 20:34There you go again not paying attention, newsflash....things are about to change and despite what you might think that includes your mail centreSpacePhoenix wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 17:26As it stands there are NO changes to the way the DTS works.ted_e_bear wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 16:52You're not paying attention are you, the plan is to only deliver mail 5 times per fortnight so releasing 20% per day won't really fit.SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 15:52What they should be doing is instead of axing them, force the firms sending them to make them machine sortable, with a proper address but no addressee name. We could then run them through the machines, with the possibly the CSS extracting any DPs who have an active opt-out. They could perhaps have the DTS release say 20% each day. That's got to make it easier to work with them in the DOs
If it does end up with every DSA and 2C item being deferred then any 1C for them walks will just be sent as manual. Take away the DSA and 2C and there's virtually nothing left.
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ted_e_bear
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Just thinking what about holidays are they going to limit the amount of drivers off per week, oh hang on they won't have thought of that other flaw to the plan
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tramssirhc
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When are you going to tell us what the CWU is doing for postal workers?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 21:44Will you ever answer the qustion what pwrfc is doing for postal workers...tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 18:55What's your beloved CWU doing about it?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 17:08Get the pwrfc on to it they will have it sorted in no time.tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 15:36What's happening with singleton duties like rurals is still to be sorted. One of the problems with rurals is the geographical spread. It was planned to combine them on a Saturday but for some it would mean driving significant miles. Singleton duties wont be subjected to ODM which is going to cause a lot of discontent. Workers will be seeing singleton duties carry on as now, apart from Saturdays, whilst they try to deliver the core and combined duties. The CWU has no answer.Chelseablue wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 14:15God this new erm system sounds so straightforward and smooth running ! So much can and will go wrong big time. Rurals i take it will be taking a bit of a burden too i hope , like the rest of us slaves ?
One answer is to defend and increase singleton duties, primarily for workers with contract variation such as no obligation to drive. Most workplaces are located where walking duties can be easily reinstated even if this means transporting and bags dropping for duties. Again the CWU aren't interested in doing this because it's not the plan for Martin Walsh's profit driven method.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
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Jefferson Starfish
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The CWU are nowhere near perfect, but a least they're at the table with the company negotiating on our behalf.tramssirhc wrote: ↑19 May 2025, 06:53When are you going to tell us what the CWU is doing for postal workers?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 21:44Will you ever answer the qustion what pwrfc is doing for postal workers...tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 18:55What's your beloved CWU doing about it?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 17:08Get the pwrfc on to it they will have it sorted in no time.tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 15:36What's happening with singleton duties like rurals is still to be sorted. One of the problems with rurals is the geographical spread. It was planned to combine them on a Saturday but for some it would mean driving significant miles. Singleton duties wont be subjected to ODM which is going to cause a lot of discontent. Workers will be seeing singleton duties carry on as now, apart from Saturdays, whilst they try to deliver the core and combined duties. The CWU has no answer.Chelseablue wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 14:15God this new erm system sounds so straightforward and smooth running ! So much can and will go wrong big time. Rurals i take it will be taking a bit of a burden too i hope , like the rest of us slaves ?
One answer is to defend and increase singleton duties, primarily for workers with contract variation such as no obligation to drive. Most workplaces are located where walking duties can be easily reinstated even if this means transporting and bags dropping for duties. Again the CWU aren't interested in doing this because it's not the plan for Martin Walsh's profit driven method.
Where are the PWRFC?
Oh yes, in their bedrooms writing articles and fighting a keyboard war that most people aren't interested in and think is complete clap trap!
It's time you woke up Chris!
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Sean06
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What they are doing is there for all to see unlike pwrfc.tramssirhc wrote: ↑19 May 2025, 06:53When are you going to tell us what the CWU is doing for postal workers?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 21:44Will you ever answer the qustion what pwrfc is doing for postal workers...tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 18:55What's your beloved CWU doing about it?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 17:08Get the pwrfc on to it they will have it sorted in no time.tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 15:36What's happening with singleton duties like rurals is still to be sorted. One of the problems with rurals is the geographical spread. It was planned to combine them on a Saturday but for some it would mean driving significant miles. Singleton duties wont be subjected to ODM which is going to cause a lot of discontent. Workers will be seeing singleton duties carry on as now, apart from Saturdays, whilst they try to deliver the core and combined duties. The CWU has no answer.Chelseablue wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 14:15God this new erm system sounds so straightforward and smooth running ! So much can and will go wrong big time. Rurals i take it will be taking a bit of a burden too i hope , like the rest of us slaves ?
One answer is to defend and increase singleton duties, primarily for workers with contract variation such as no obligation to drive. Most workplaces are located where walking duties can be easily reinstated even if this means transporting and bags dropping for duties. Again the CWU aren't interested in doing this because it's not the plan for Martin Walsh's profit driven method.
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BELIAL
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True, and what I’ve seen over two decades is a constant reduction of members terms and conditions with union executives working hand in glove with management to do it.Sean06 wrote: ↑19 May 2025, 09:45What they are doing is there for all to see unlike pwrfc.tramssirhc wrote: ↑19 May 2025, 06:53When are you going to tell us what the CWU is doing for postal workers?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 21:44Will you ever answer the qustion what pwrfc is doing for postal workers...tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 18:55What's your beloved CWU doing about it?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 17:08Get the pwrfc on to it they will have it sorted in no time.tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 15:36What's happening with singleton duties like rurals is still to be sorted. One of the problems with rurals is the geographical spread. It was planned to combine them on a Saturday but for some it would mean driving significant miles. Singleton duties wont be subjected to ODM which is going to cause a lot of discontent. Workers will be seeing singleton duties carry on as now, apart from Saturdays, whilst they try to deliver the core and combined duties. The CWU has no answer.Chelseablue wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 14:15God this new erm system sounds so straightforward and smooth running ! So much can and will go wrong big time. Rurals i take it will be taking a bit of a burden too i hope , like the rest of us slaves ?
One answer is to defend and increase singleton duties, primarily for workers with contract variation such as no obligation to drive. Most workplaces are located where walking duties can be easily reinstated even if this means transporting and bags dropping for duties. Again the CWU aren't interested in doing this because it's not the plan for Martin Walsh's profit driven method.
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HarrySutton111
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BELIAL wrote: ↑19 May 2025, 10:40True, and what I’ve seen over two decades is a constant reduction of members terms and conditions with union executives working hand in glove with management to do it.Sean06 wrote: ↑19 May 2025, 09:45What they are doing is there for all to see unlike pwrfc.tramssirhc wrote: ↑19 May 2025, 06:53When are you going to tell us what the CWU is doing for postal workers?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 21:44Will you ever answer the qustion what pwrfc is doing for postal workers...tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 18:55What's your beloved CWU doing about it?Sean06 wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 17:08Get the pwrfc on to it they will have it sorted in no time.tramssirhc wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 15:36What's happening with singleton duties like rurals is still to be sorted. One of the problems with rurals is the geographical spread. It was planned to combine them on a Saturday but for some it would mean driving significant miles. Singleton duties wont be subjected to ODM which is going to cause a lot of discontent. Workers will be seeing singleton duties carry on as now, apart from Saturdays, whilst they try to deliver the core and combined duties. The CWU has no answer.Chelseablue wrote: ↑18 May 2025, 14:15God this new erm system sounds so straightforward and smooth running ! So much can and will go wrong big time. Rurals i take it will be taking a bit of a burden too i hope , like the rest of us slaves ?
One answer is to defend and increase singleton duties, primarily for workers with contract variation such as no obligation to drive. Most workplaces are located where walking duties can be easily reinstated even if this means transporting and bags dropping for duties. Again the CWU aren't interested in doing this because it's not the plan for Martin Walsh's profit driven method.
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yellowbelly
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Looks like possible changes to me:SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑19 May 2025, 02:16
Dream on if you think that the DTS will be changing. The whole principle of DTS is that there isn't 2C released if there's no 1C item for a DP, up to the 5 day limit.
If it does end up with every DSA and 2C item being deferred then any 1C for them walks will just be sent as manual. Take away the DSA and 2C and there's virtually nothing left.
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Access letters obligation
Most letters sent today are ‘bulk mail’ – the letters sent by large organisations such as banks, government departments, the NHS or local authorities. These letters are sent outside of the universal service. To support competition in this market, we require Royal Mail to provide access to its letters network, meaning it must deliver letters collected by other postal operators. To realise the benefits from any reform to the USO, changes are also needed to the access obligations on Royal Mail to ensure it can operate the same alternate weekday delivery model for the vast majority of mail. Our proposals aim to enable this while continuing to support a competitive bulk mail market that meets the needs of large organisations and their customers.
Royal Mail is introducing a new access service to be delivered on alternate weekdays, which would aim to deliver letters within three weekdays (D+3) after collection from the sender. We propose to regulate this new service in the same way as we currently regulate existing access services.
We will continue to regulate the existing D+2 access service for priority bulk mail, at least while the market responds to reform.
We are also proposing to remove Saturday delivery from D+5 access services.
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sfxdby
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From a delivery point of view, would make much more sense to have door-to-doors come in on a two-week basis. If you had to do all your households in two days, Tuesday and Thursday, that would be quite a waste of manpower hours.
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Chelseablue
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If someone does go off sick , we got told there would be loads of surplus staff. So what do they do if nobodys off sick ? Morale will be even lower than now, staff with no bad seniority now facing being a floter or reserve. Less jobs to sign for.