LTB 075/25 - Update on USO Pilot Sites

[tramssirhc]

Get ready for Mondays to be mega busy in DOs as non-2C days and there being no 1C for DPs on 2C-days is going to result in just about all 2C hitting the 5 day limit and a lot will end up getting released Sunday nights, a day when we don't have many CSS staff in. They struggle to get enough staff for the CSS machines so the Sunday staff might need to walk sort soke to get it out the door.

We won't be be holding the manual 2C for just some walks each day, it'll be it either all goes out or none of it goes out

This must be a discussion that's happening now because Martin Walsh admitted the traffic profile was not correct and the traffic was being released incorrectly creating excessive workloads in the pilots. Martin's delivery method should end the days of everything being the delivery offices problem. Thats going to take a major shift in the current approach to dealing with traffic whereby it gets sent out so it's someone else's problem.

[tramssirhc]

The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.

Not really sure what you are talking about here

If they are contracted to work M,T,T and F then they surely have every Wed, Sat and Sun off

And if they were contracted to only work those days how could they be forced to work the other days in addition?

Have a look at the thread talking about bank holiday entitlement. If it does not say day off good luck getting that day back.

Arent you talking about normal weeks though? You never mentioned bank holiday in your post.

This is about the CWU's attitude towards contracts and part timers. Unless it says day off its not a day off.

[Acca Dacca]

The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.

Not really sure what you are talking about here

If they are contracted to work M,T,T and F then they surely have every Wed, Sat and Sun off

And if they were contracted to only work those days how could they be forced to work the other days in addition?

Have a look at the thread talking about bank holiday entitlement. If it does not say day off good luck getting that day back.

Arent you talking about normal weeks though? You never mentioned bank holiday in your post.

This is about the CWU's attitude towards contracts and part timers. Unless it says day off its not a day off.

Why are you going on about part timers being forced to work a 6 day week though? Can you explain what you mean.

[Pidleypoo]

From all of the stuff that you hear coming out of the union it sounds like part timers will work their hours over less days.

That brings up a few problems that I can see.

What if part timers that have children and take them to school and so on don’t want to come in earlier because let’s be honest , it costs more for childcare than we get paid per hour.

If they do work their hours over less days , who’s covering the other days ? Another part timer meaning you’ll need more ?

I say this because most of what has come out suggests that you will need 2 people prepping all morning and if a full timer has someone who comes in after 9 then they won’t be out and it’ll fail immediately.

[tramssirhc]

The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.

Not really sure what you are talking about here

If they are contracted to work M,T,T and F then they surely have every Wed, Sat and Sun off

And if they were contracted to only work those days how could they be forced to work the other days in addition?

Have a look at the thread talking about bank holiday entitlement. If it does not say day off good luck getting that day back.

Arent you talking about normal weeks though? You never mentioned bank holiday in your post.

This is about the CWU's attitude towards contracts and part timers. Unless it says day off its not a day off.

Why are you going on about part timers being forced to work a 6 day week though? Can you explain what you mean.

Of course. Unless the contract is explicit about a 'day off' then any day where there is no requirement to work is simply a day where there is no contract in place to work. This means workers who are contracted in this way have no entitlement to be paid if a bank holiday falls on a day where there is no contract to work.

Part time work pays less. In order to earn more part time workers will work more hours. This has been a standard contractual arrangement for years which has gone unchallenged by the CWU. It's a form of under employment. Part time contracts being used even though they do not meet the requirements of the resourcing.

Many part time workers on the 'new' contract are already working 7 days a week to earn a decent wage. The compulsion is the reality of economics. The rotation agreed by the CWU is regressive and far from a victory. The CWU is facilitating explotation.

[tramssirhc]

From all of the stuff that you hear coming out of the union it sounds like part timers will work their hours over less days.

That brings up a few problems that I can see.

What if part timers that have children and take them to school and so on don’t want to come in earlier because let’s be honest , it costs more for childcare than we get paid per hour.

If they do work their hours over less days , who’s covering the other days ? Another part timer meaning you’ll need more ?

I say this because most of what has come out suggests that you will need 2 people prepping all morning and if a full timer has someone who comes in after 9 then they won’t be out and it’ll fail immediately.

The CWU's attitude to this is FIFO - fit in of f**k off. Martin repeatedly tells us this is the new reality and we need to change.

[norris9]

From all of the stuff that you hear coming out of the union it sounds like part timers will work their hours over less days.

That brings up a few problems that I can see.

What if part timers that have children and take them to school and so on don’t want to come in earlier because let’s be honest , it costs more for childcare than we get paid per hour.

If they do work their hours over less days , who’s covering the other days ? Another part timer meaning you’ll need more ?

I say this because most of what has come out suggests that you will need 2 people prepping all morning and if a full timer has someone who comes in after 9 then they won’t be out and it’ll fail immediately.

This is only if your office picks the 2 Saturdays in 5.

-Part timers needing to drop off kids will have to make new plans.

-Wednesday will be covered by the full-timers....they have to work all Wednesdays. I don't understand how Saturday cover works.

[ted_e_bear]

From all of the stuff that you hear coming out of the union it sounds like part timers will work their hours over less days.

That brings up a few problems that I can see.

What if part timers that have children and take them to school and so on don’t want to come in earlier because let’s be honest , it costs more for childcare than we get paid per hour.

If they do work their hours over less days , who’s covering the other days ? Another part timer meaning you’ll need more ?

I say this because most of what has come out suggests that you will need 2 people prepping all morning and if a full timer has someone who comes in after 9 then they won’t be out and it’ll fail immediately.

This is only if your office picks the 2 Saturdays in 5.

-Part timers needing to drop off kids will have to make new plans.

-Wednesday will be covered by the full-timers....they have to work all Wednesdays. I don't understand how Saturday cover works.

Looks like on Saturday there is 3 out of the 5 duty holders at work presumably doing parcels and 1c only for the 5 duties, I thought it was supposed to be 1 person doing that for 2 duties maybe they're singletons and it's different, who knows, as I've said previously actual information being communicated is a bit lacking to say the least.

[Pidleypoo]

From all of the stuff that you hear coming out of the union it sounds like part timers will work their hours over less days.

That brings up a few problems that I can see.

What if part timers that have children and take them to school and so on don’t want to come in earlier because let’s be honest , it costs more for childcare than we get paid per hour.

If they do work their hours over less days , who’s covering the other days ? Another part timer meaning you’ll need more ?

I say this because most of what has come out suggests that you will need 2 people prepping all morning and if a full timer has someone who comes in after 9 then they won’t be out and it’ll fail immediately.

This is only if your office picks the 2 Saturdays in 5.

-Part timers needing to drop off kids will have to make new plans.

-Wednesday will be covered by the full-timers....they have to work all Wednesdays. I don't understand how Saturday cover works.

No it’s also the 9 day fortnights and 4 day weeks.

You do realise that people with children will have to leave the company? So that you and the union saying if you have kids you can’t work here.

So where are we at now , you’re not welcome in this job if you have kids , don’t drive or want to stay part time.

What a union we have and company we work for.

[thefox]

Full time,childless(possibly virgins),drivers only in this company in future.

[tramssirhc]

From all of the stuff that you hear coming out of the union it sounds like part timers will work their hours over less days.

That brings up a few problems that I can see.

What if part timers that have children and take them to school and so on don’t want to come in earlier because let’s be honest , it costs more for childcare than we get paid per hour.

If they do work their hours over less days , who’s covering the other days ? Another part timer meaning you’ll need more ?

I say this because most of what has come out suggests that you will need 2 people prepping all morning and if a full timer has someone who comes in after 9 then they won’t be out and it’ll fail immediately.

This is only if your office picks the 2 Saturdays in 5.

-Part timers needing to drop off kids will have to make new plans.

-Wednesday will be covered by the full-timers....they have to work all Wednesdays. I don't understand how Saturday cover works.

No it’s also the 9 day fortnights and 4 day weeks.

You do realise that people with children will have to leave the company? So that you and the union saying if you have kids you can’t work here.

So where are we at now , you’re not welcome in this job if you have kids , don’t drive or want to stay part time.

What a union we have and company we work for.

Martin Walsh likes his history. Part time workers with childcare responsibilities have never been welcome in the industry. The CWU went on strike over part time working and then agreed to give part time workers a categorisation of AG, the associate grade. As if part time workers were something less than other workers. The CWU has a long history of treating part time workers as inferior. Even today all Martin talks about is full time workers.

[ted_e_bear]

Full time,childless(possibly virgins),drivers only in this company in future.

That description exactly describes at least one at our place

[Smoothbackground]

Many part time workers on the 'new' contract are already working 7 days a week to earn a decent wage. The compulsion is the reality of economics. The rotation agreed by the CWU is regressive and far from a victory. The CWU is facilitating explotation.

i don’t know any such new-contract employees working 7 days a week. Don’t know what happens elsewhere, but our gaffer won’t let anyone do 7 days on the trot even if only doing indoor work.

[Londonsburning]

Full time,childless(possibly virgins),drivers only in this company in future.

That description exactly describes at least one at our place

I was going to say that fits the description of at least 50% of ours

[Idk]

From all of the stuff that you hear coming out of the union it sounds like part timers will work their hours over less days.

That brings up a few problems that I can see.

What if part timers that have children and take them to school and so on don’t want to come in earlier because let’s be honest , it costs more for childcare than we get paid per hour.

If they do work their hours over less days , who’s covering the other days ? Another part timer meaning you’ll need more ?

I say this because most of what has come out suggests that you will need 2 people prepping all morning and if a full timer has someone who comes in after 9 then they won’t be out and it’ll fail immediately.

This is only if your office picks the 2 Saturdays in 5.

-Part timers needing to drop off kids will have to make new plans.

-Wednesday will be covered by the full-timers....they have to work all Wednesdays. I don't understand how Saturday cover works.

No it’s also the 9 day fortnights and 4 day weeks.

You do realise that people with children will have to leave the company? So that you and the union saying if you have kids you can’t work here.

So where are we at now , you’re not welcome in this job if you have kids , don’t drive or want to stay part time.

What a union we have and company we work for.

You do realise that 99% of people that work in other companies with kids have to fit around 9am-5pm?
That's just normal.