We'll just have to sort and send all of the 2C to the DOs every day for manual letters and flats, they are only sorted to office level. There's 600+ walks across all the DOs in our area, there's no way that we'll be able to know which of them walks are due for delivery or even what's on each walk for manual letters and for flats.
I've yet to hear what the plan is for when we end up with the CSS batches becoming too big some days with a big increase in the amount of 2C being held each night. If an item of 2C has been held due to it being a non-2C day, the next day might be a 2C day but if there's no 1C item then it'll get held again. Once any 2C hits the 5 day limit it'll be automatically released, sequenced and sent to the DOs whether it's a 2C day or not.
If there's too much mail to run the excess will have to be sent out as manual as we aren't allowed to hold anything that hasn't come out the machine as deferred mail.
We already get a few days where some walks get 4 trays of mail, I think we could see the odd day now where a handful of walks get 5 or 6 trays.
Sweetie, you'll be modernized.
Your machines will be sent information about what walks are 2c on what day, everything else will be held as new rules will be in play, your thinking of how it works with the current rules and not the new ones coming in.
There is going to be no such thing as a 5day limit when everything has changed over.
The 5 day limit won't be going away, it's a maximum of 5 days for the delivery of DSA Economy. If anything the 5 day limit will be needed even more as otherwise you'll get mail where for days on end on 2C days if there's no 1C it'll get deferred again and again with n o limit as to how long it does.
don't see what the problem is guys. according to Royal Mail letters are dying a death so shouldn't be any problems.
The manual letters and the flats it'll be either we send the 2C or we hold it, in practice it's more likely we'll send it as I can't see us having the storage space. Packets take up much more floor space than they used to. At one time we'd either be sorting 1C or 2C, never with both setup at the same time, now both 1C/inward and 2C setups are in place at the same time.
If we did end up with batches where there's not enough time to run it all, the excess will have to be sent through as manual as we won't be allowed to hold anything that's not been deferred by the CSS machines. I think in the autumn when letter postings pick up again we'll have problems hitting the limits of work that we have time to run.
Your going to be allowed to hold everything under the new plans.
................... If an item of 2C has been held due to it being a non-2C day, the next day might be a 2C day but if there's no 1C item then it'll get held again. Once any 2C hits the 5 day limit it'll be automatically released, sequenced and sent to the DOs whether it's a 2C day or not.
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First sentence - why? If it's '2nd class day' all second class goes out.
The proposal includes limited changes to deliver a more efficient and more financially sustainable
Universal Service:
• All non-First Class letter deliveries, including Second Class, would be delivered every other
weekday
• The delivery speed of standard bulk business mail (used by large mail shippers for bulk mailings
such as bills and statements) would be aligned to Second Class, so they arrive within three
weekdays instead of two currently.
This might make you feel a bit better though, most holding of 2nd would be at the MC, some at DO according to this quote:
What changes would we need to make to our delivery offices?
As part of this change, we would need to separate next-day and non-next-day mail so that we can
deliver First Class mail every working day and defer some non-First Class mail until the following
morning. Most of this would be done via automation at the mail centres, however, some manual
deferral of non-First Class mail would be necessary at delivery offices. We would do this by giving
each office different IPS frames for next-day and non-next day, so that we can clear down all First
Class mail for all routes every working day and only the non-First Class mail for the core routes due
that day.
................... If an item of 2C has been held due to it being a non-2C day, the next day might be a 2C day but if there's no 1C item then it'll get held again. Once any 2C hits the 5 day limit it'll be automatically released, sequenced and sent to the DOs whether it's a 2C day or not.
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First sentence - why? If it's '2nd class day' all second class goes out.
The proposal includes limited changes to deliver a more efficient and more financially sustainable
Universal Service:
• All non-First Class letter deliveries, including Second Class, would be delivered every other
weekday
• The delivery speed of standard bulk business mail (used by large mail shippers for bulk mailings
such as bills and statements) would be aligned to Second Class, so they arrive within three
weekdays instead of two currently.
Someone somewhere doesn't understand how the DTS system works. Each day the CSS machines get for each batch a list of DPs with a 1C item. For any 2C items if there's a 1C item for that DP it gets released, if not it gets held to the next day. On the 5th day it gets released automatically along with any other mail for that DP.
DSA Economy is a 5 day delivery speed. That is why the 5 day limit is in place. The system currently treats "normal" DSA as 1C.
This might make you feel a bit better though, most holding of 2nd would be at the MC, some at DO according to this quote:
What changes would we need to make to our delivery offices?
As part of this change, we would need to separate next-day and non-next-day mail so that we can
deliver First Class mail every working day and defer some non-First Class mail until the following
morning. Most of this would be done via automation at the mail centres, however, some manual
deferral of non-First Class mail would be necessary at delivery offices. We would do this by giving
each office different IPS frames for next-day and non-next day, so that we can clear down all First
Class mail for all routes every working day and only the non-First Class mail for the core routes due
that day.
That'll be all the manual letters, the mech rejects and the flats (not all MCs have got flat sorting machines)
Someone somewhere doesn't understand how the DTS system works. Each day the CSS machines get for each batch a list of DPs with a 1C item. For any 2C items if there's a 1C item for that DP it gets released, if not it gets held to the next day. On the 5th day it gets released automatically along with any other mail for that DP.
DSA Economy is a 5 day delivery speed. That is why the 5 day limit is in place. The system currently treats "normal" DSA as 1C.
Also this is from OFCOM website:
Access letters obligation
.....................
Royal Mail is introducing a new access service to be delivered on alternate weekdays, which would aim to deliver letters within three weekdays (D+3) after collection from the sender. We propose to regulate this new service in the same way as we currently regulate existing access services.
We will continue to regulate the existing D+2 access service for priority bulk mail, at least while the market responds to reform.
We are also proposing to remove Saturday delivery from D+5 access services.
Someone somewhere doesn't understand how the DTS system works. Each day the CSS machines get for each batch a list of DPs with a 1C item. For any 2C items if there's a 1C item for that DP it gets released, if not it gets held to the next day. On the 5th day it gets released automatically along with any other mail for that DP.
DSA Economy is a 5 day delivery speed. That is why the 5 day limit is in place. The system currently treats "normal" DSA as 1C.
Also this is from OFCOM website:
Access letters obligation
.....................
Royal Mail is introducing a new access service to be delivered on alternate weekdays, which would aim to deliver letters within three weekdays (D+3) after collection from the sender. We propose to regulate this new service in the same way as we currently regulate existing access services.
We will continue to regulate the existing D+2 access service for priority bulk mail, at least while the market responds to reform.
We are also proposing to remove Saturday delivery from D+5 access services.
Those RM DTS programmers are going to be busy.
There seems to be rather a lot of time and effort spent on a product that apparently RM don't really want and currently have to sell "on the cheap" maybe when new ownership gets established this might change
Someone somewhere doesn't understand how the DTS system works. Each day the CSS machines get for each batch a list of DPs with a 1C item. For any 2C items if there's a 1C item for that DP it gets released, if not it gets held to the next day. On the 5th day it gets released automatically along with any other mail for that DP.
DSA Economy is a 5 day delivery speed. That is why the 5 day limit is in place. The system currently treats "normal" DSA as 1C.
Also this is from OFCOM website:
Access letters obligation
.....................
Royal Mail is introducing a new access service to be delivered on alternate weekdays, which would aim to deliver letters within three weekdays (D+3) after collection from the sender. We propose to regulate this new service in the same way as we currently regulate existing access services.
We will continue to regulate the existing D+2 access service for priority bulk mail, at least while the market responds to reform.
We are also proposing to remove Saturday delivery from D+5 access services.
Those RM DTS programmers are going to be busy.
Obviously no one has told OFCOM that the DTS system goes by calendar days, not working days. DSA Economy is 5 calender days, all other DSA is processed the day it comes in, goes to the CSS that night and out to DOs in the morning. It doesn't matter if day 5 is a Friday night, it'll get released as it'll be 5 calender days
Someone somewhere doesn't understand how the DTS system works. Each day the CSS machines get for each batch a list of DPs with a 1C item. For any 2C items if there's a 1C item for that DP it gets released, if not it gets held to the next day. On the 5th day it gets released automatically along with any other mail for that DP.
DSA Economy is a 5 day delivery speed. That is why the 5 day limit is in place. The system currently treats "normal" DSA as 1C.
Also this is from OFCOM website:
Access letters obligation
.....................
Royal Mail is introducing a new access service to be delivered on alternate weekdays, which would aim to deliver letters within three weekdays (D+3) after collection from the sender. We propose to regulate this new service in the same way as we currently regulate existing access services.
We will continue to regulate the existing D+2 access service for priority bulk mail, at least while the market responds to reform.
We are also proposing to remove Saturday delivery from D+5 access services.
Those RM DTS programmers are going to be busy.
Obviously no one has told OFCOM that the DTS system goes by calendar days, not working days. DSA Economy is 5 calender days, all other DSA is processed the day it comes in, goes to the CSS that night and out to DOs in the morning. It doesn't matter if day 5 is a Friday night, it'll get released as it'll be 5 calender days
It also 'doesnt matter' if the DSA lies in trays under a frame or sits prepped in a frame as to when it'll actually be delivered OFCOM don't care.
It states quite clearly that the software that determines the release of DTS will be charged and that all non 1st class will be deferred and held at the MC/MPU.
In processing, non 1st Class letters should be deferred and held at the Mail Centre/MPU until due for delivery. This requires the strict segregation of 1c and 2c letters on both mech and manual streams
and the extension of the Delivery to Specification (DTS) algorithm to defer all non 1c letters to the appropriate days. In addition, sequencing and Wave 2 Walksort can no longer be processed on the large machines (Imps/iLSM) and can only take place on the CSS machines with deferral switched on.
The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.
What are you on about ? I was replying to Norris's question regarding part timers attending fewer days but on more hours per day
Try looking again, the PT has every weds, sat and Sunday off, n/a means not applicable as they aren't there, on Wednesdays all the duty holders are scheduled to work, on Saturday 3 out of 5 duty holders are scheduled to work but they'll only be delivering parcels and 1c for the 5 duties.
Have a look at the thread where someone is asking about bank holiday entitlement. If it doesn't say day off then good luck claiming for a day back.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.
Not really sure what you are talking about here
If they are contracted to work M,T,T and F then they surely have every Wed, Sat and Sun off
And if they were contracted to only work those days how could they be forced to work the other days in addition?
Have a look at the thread talking about bank holiday entitlement. If it does not say day off good luck getting that day back.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
Get ready for Mondays to be mega busy in DOs as non-2C days and there being no 1C for DPs on 2C-days is going to result in just about all 2C hitting the 5 day limit and a lot will end up getting released Sunday nights, a day when we don't have many CSS staff in. They struggle to get enough staff for the CSS machines so the Sunday staff might need to walk sort soke to get it out the door.
We won't be be holding the manual 2C for just some walks each day, it'll be it either all goes out or none of it goes out
The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.
Not really sure what you are talking about here
If they are contracted to work M,T,T and F then they surely have every Wed, Sat and Sun off
And if they were contracted to only work those days how could they be forced to work the other days in addition?
Have a look at the thread talking about bank holiday entitlement. If it does not say day off good luck getting that day back.
Arent you talking about normal weeks though? You never mentioned bank holiday in your post.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
................. and there being no 1C for DPs on 2C-days is going to result in just about all 2C hitting the 5 day limit and a lot will end up getting released Sunday nights..........
If there's no 1c for a DP/DP's on 2C days, the 2c should be coming out anyway - it's an 'everything' day. Otherwise it'd be a 1c day by definition!
................. and there being no 1C for DPs on 2C-days is going to result in just about all 2C hitting the 5 day limit and a lot will end up getting released Sunday nights..........
If there's no 1c for a DP/DP's on 2C days, the 2c should be coming out anyway - it's an 'everything' day. Otherwise it'd be a 1c day by definition!
That goes totally against the principle of the DTS system. They may as well have the non-2C days the same for all walks in a DO and have the iLSMs just sort all 2Ci for that DO to a york for any 2C, it's not worth having the DTS system anymore
o limit as to how long it does.