LTB 075/25 - Update on USO Pilot Sites

[tramssirhc]

The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.

What are you on about ? I was replying to Norris's question regarding part timers attending fewer days but on more hours per day

Try looking again, the PT has every weds, sat and Sunday off, n/a means not applicable as they aren't there, on Wednesdays all the duty holders are scheduled to work, on Saturday 3 out of 5 duty holders are scheduled to work but they'll only be delivering parcels and 1c for the 5 duties.

'aren't there' is very different to that saying 'day off'. That's a huge assumption to say Sunday will be a day off. If it's anyone employed 2023 onwards that'll be another working day.

[tramssirhc]

The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.

Not sure what you mean.

Quality time off? - a part timer would get the whole weekend off and a busier day in the middle of the week off - Wednesday. It would be wonderful, like being semi-retired.

The only thing inferior about it is you have no option but to be a float. In that case I think part timers deserve to have the busier Wednesday + the Saturday off.

Anyone employed 2023 onwards won't as Sunday is a working day.

[tramssirhc]

The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.

Not really sure what you are talking about here

If they are contracted to work M,T,T and F then they surely have every Wed, Sat and Sun off

And if they were contracted to only work those days how could they be forced to work the other days in addition?

Sundays are a normal working day for many workers. The DOC position will have a contract inferior to the other workers. That's not progress.

[norris9]

The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.

Not sure what you mean.

Quality time off? - a part timer would get the whole weekend off and a busier day in the middle of the week off - Wednesday. It would be wonderful, like being semi-retired.

The only thing inferior about it is you have no option but to be a float. In that case I think part timers deserve to have the busier Wednesday + the Saturday off.

Anyone employed 2023 onwards won't as Sunday is a working day.

The point is that the scheduled attendance pattern for that particular setup is as shown - Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri every week.

Yes, nothing is set in stone and whichever pattern of working your office chooses may change what days PT get off.... we can only wait until it's all set in stone.

[qwerty2]

I've had a look at the suggested attendance pattern options that were listed on a post a while ago to see what if anything they say for part timers and it isn't clear but at the start of this post according to Martin Walsh the trial offices opted for the 2 in 5 Saturday option.

So if you look at that the day off cover is part time and only attends Mon,Tues,Thurs, Fri every week 7.50 per day so 31hrs20 which would help answering your question regarding part time doing less days.

This is the perfect setup for part timers.... Every Wednesday and Saturday off. Wednesday is a busier day and Saturday is well....Saturday... Whole weekend off! 4 day week!

Will that be the same for PT non-drivers?

[Acca Dacca]

The duty pattern where the DOC, or as we know them 'floaters', are part time and contracted to work Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday is a disgrace. It's the CWU's idea of progress that once again treats part time workers as inferior. What happened to quality time off? Under this rotation the part time worker doesn't even have a recognised day off being shown N/A, which should really be 'not required'. And we all know what will happen. There will be no cover for Wednesday and Saturday and the part time worker will be expected to work thereby creating a 6 day week. Martin's the first to go on about history. We fought to get a 5 day week. The CWU pick the history that suits their sellout.

Not really sure what you are talking about here

If they are contracted to work M,T,T and F then they surely have every Wed, Sat and Sun off

And if they were contracted to only work those days how could they be forced to work the other days in addition?

Sundays are a normal working day for many workers. The DOC position will have a contract inferior to the other workers. That's not progress.

Current part timers who have occasional Sundays in their contracts work 5 days out of 7 already with 2 days off

What argument are you making? How can they be forced to work 6 full days?

[Pidleypoo]

Theee really doesn’t seem to be a plan for part timers.

Our last revision and repick the deliveries were made up of part time/full time pairings ( the vast majority of ) so when the repick happened , people who had been there 6 months got duties because the duties were 30 hours and some people that were full time ended up as leave reserves despite being there at least 5 years plus.

With what’s coming next , how tf are they going to square that circle ?

Just doesn’t seem like there’s a plan for those that are part time and especially those that want to remain that way which is completely up to them.

[moonjaguar]

We have part timers on old contracts who get a half hour paid break and we have the new 30 hour contract people who get no break. And some of the old contracts don't drive. How is this new system going to work for those of us on the old 30 hour contracts who don't want to be full time?

[ted_e_bear]

We have part timers on old contracts who get a half hour paid break and we have the new 30 hour contract people who get no break. And some of the old contracts don't drive. How is this new system going to work for those of us on the old 30 hour contracts who don't want to be full time?

That's one of the most asked questions on the subject and still no answer, the lack of communication is shocking, not to mention disappointing, we've got 30 hour people that drop kids off at nursery/school etc that don't want to start later.

[Acca Dacca]

We have part timers on old contracts who get a half hour paid break and we have the new 30 hour contract people who get no break. And some of the old contracts don't drive. How is this new system going to work for those of us on the old 30 hour contracts who don't want to be full time?

That's one of the most asked questions on the subject and still no answer, the lack of communication is shocking, not to mention disappointing, we've got 30 hour people that drop kids off at nursery/school etc that don't want to start later.

*earlier

[SpacePhoenix]

Are they extracting the 2C for non-2C days or is the MC sending the 2C separately? Apart from the outward MCs sending the 2C in separate trays to the inward MCs, we've not been told anything about how it's going to work at our end.

[ted_e_bear]

We have part timers on old contracts who get a half hour paid break and we have the new 30 hour contract people who get no break. And some of the old contracts don't drive. How is this new system going to work for those of us on the old 30 hour contracts who don't want to be full time?

That's one of the most asked questions on the subject and still no answer, the lack of communication is shocking, not to mention disappointing, we've got 30 hour people that drop kids off at nursery/school etc that don't want to start later.

*earlier

Oh yeah oops that's what I meant

[norris9]

We have part timers on old contracts who get a half hour paid break and we have the new 30 hour contract people who get no break. And some of the old contracts don't drive. How is this new system going to work for those of us on the old 30 hour contracts who don't want to be full time?

I thought the newer contracted posties were getting somewhat levelled up with those on the old contract. I am not sure to what extent. I assume they'd still have to work sundays as we need a sunday workforce. I would also assume they will get the same pay as us and paid breaks....

but these are total and utter assumptions based on the CWU saying that contracts will be equalised.

[SMS1969]

We have part timers on old contracts who get a half hour paid break and we have the new 30 hour contract people who get no break. And some of the old contracts don't drive. How is this new system going to work for those of us on the old 30 hour contracts who don't want to be full time?

I thought the newer contracted posties were getting somewhat levelled up with those on the old contract. I am not sure to what extent. I assume they'd still have to work sundays as we need a sunday workforce. I would also assume they will get the same pay as us and paid breaks....

but these are total and utter assumptions based on the CWU saying that contracts will be equalised.

What the CWU say and what happens in reality are two separate things. I can’t see RM rushing to get all on equal terms.

[zz666]

Easter should be fun next year if this new way of working comes in. Households who get mail on Thursday before Good Friday will get mail the following Wednesday. Similarly those on Thursday will get mail on following Tuesday.