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Barnacle
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Re: Non drivers

Post by Barnacle »

chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:04
Acca Dacca wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:00
Those without driving in their contracts will have been employed before park and loop and van sharing was allowed even an idea in a penpushers head

It wasn’t a prerequisite when we took the job no matter if it is now for new entrants and no matter if you think everyone needs to drive to keep a job ( they don’t )

It smacks of jealousy mate
Call it what you like but a mon to fri duty is a pipe dream for the vast majority of posties , except non drivers apparently.
I don’t even know where this Mon- Fri thing has come because the pilot offices where this has been trialled: it’s too knackering for a walker to do the walking loops every pigging day. That is what they have found.

So the idea now is that they are indoors on a Saturday in order to give them some respite.

The grass is not greener on the other side.
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chickenwittle
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Re: Non drivers

Post by chickenwittle »

Barnacle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:11
chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:04
Acca Dacca wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:00
Those without driving in their contracts will have been employed before park and loop and van sharing was allowed even an idea in a penpushers head

It wasn’t a prerequisite when we took the job no matter if it is now for new entrants and no matter if you think everyone needs to drive to keep a job ( they don’t )

It smacks of jealousy mate
Call it what you like but a mon to fri duty is a pipe dream for the vast majority of posties , except non drivers apparently.
I don’t even know where this Mon- Fri thing has come because the pilot offices where this has been trialled: it’s too knackering for a walker to do the walking loops every pigging day. That is what they have found.

So the idea now is that they are indoors on a Saturday in order to give them some respite.

The grass is not greener on the other side.
Your right it’s not happening but it would be a quick fix for Royal Mail but the union know the uproar it would cause amongst drivers should it happen.
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Non drivers

Post by Woody Guthrie »

I would give any driver two weeks before they were begging to come off it again.

I'm on a 1in4 and the two weeks that I work 5 days in a row almost kill me and that's without double and triple mail every day.

The thought of doing that every week would probably see me heading for the door so no uproar from this driver.
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Londonsburning
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Re: Non drivers

Post by Londonsburning »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:39
I would give any driver two weeks before they were begging to come off it again.

I'm on a 1in4 and the two weeks that I work 5 days in a row almost kill me and that's without double and triple mail every day.

The thought of doing that every week would probably see me heading for the door so no uproar from this driver.
This is supposedly fatigue reduction according to CWU.

Unless the length of time on delivery is reduced, fatigue is going to increase.
Last edited by Londonsburning on 04 Apr 2025, 15:46, edited 1 time in total.
chickenwittle
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Re: Non drivers

Post by chickenwittle »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:39
I would give any driver two weeks before they were begging to come off it again.

I'm on a 1in4 and the two weeks that I work 5 days in a row almost kill me and that's without double and triple mail every day.

The thought of doing that every week would probably see me heading for the door so no uproar from this driver.
I’m also a driver on a 9 day fortnight and would love Saturday and Sunday off every week .
Londonsburning
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Re: Non drivers

Post by Londonsburning »

chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:46
Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:39
I would give any driver two weeks before they were begging to come off it again.

I'm on a 1in4 and the two weeks that I work 5 days in a row almost kill me and that's without double and triple mail every day.

The thought of doing that every week would probably see me heading for the door so no uproar from this driver.
I’m also a driver on a 9 day fortnight and would love Saturday and Sunday off every week .
You should try doing a 1 in 6. Would probably put you in your place.
chickenwittle
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Re: Non drivers

Post by chickenwittle »

Londonsburning wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:49
chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:46
Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:39
I would give any driver two weeks before they were begging to come off it again.

I'm on a 1in4 and the two weeks that I work 5 days in a row almost kill me and that's without double and triple mail every day.

The thought of doing that every week would probably see me heading for the door so no uproar from this driver.
I’m also a driver on a 9 day fortnight and would love Saturday and Sunday off every week .
You should try doing a 1 in 6. Would probably put you in your place.
Not really, your on a shorter day compared to me .
jbo5066
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Re: Non drivers

Post by jbo5066 »

At the end of the day non drivers don't have to drive for royal mail if they don't want, regardless of whether they drive a car or not, and according to one of the USO planners who are currently at ours (we are a pilot office), they can't be made to. What the non drivers shift patterns are remain to be seen ... (at ours, anyway)
Londonsburning
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Re: Non drivers

Post by Londonsburning »

chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 16:02
Londonsburning wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:49
chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:46
Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:39
I would give any driver two weeks before they were begging to come off it again.

I'm on a 1in4 and the two weeks that I work 5 days in a row almost kill me and that's without double and triple mail every day.

The thought of doing that every week would probably see me heading for the door so no uproar from this driver.
I’m also a driver on a 9 day fortnight and would love Saturday and Sunday off every week .
You should try doing a 1 in 6. Would probably put you in your place.
Not really, your on a shorter day compared to me .
So your original argument here is that pure walking duties are better off than drivers, yes?
tramssirhc
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Re: Non drivers

Post by tramssirhc »

chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 08:35
tramssirhc wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 07:10
voodou7628 wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 17:54
With the uso changes coming in this year will non drivers be able to sign for duties and if so how would this work .
The CWU should be ensuring there are arrangements in place for workers who are not contractually obliged to drive. These workers are not 'non-drivers', they have no obligation to drive. There will still be singleton duties such as town centres. There is no reason why a duty could not be created within a mile of the workplace so that these workers can be accommodated. Martin Walsh has dreamt up the role of 'van assistant' so that should accommodate workers too. Workers who are not obliged to drive should not suffer a detriment as a result of their contractual requirements.
You talk nonsense, if they have a driving license, they should be forced to use it or find another job, the business has changed down the years and so should they .
What a way to talk about other workers. You're a fine example of the reasons we're under the attacks we are.
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qwerty2
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Re: Non drivers

Post by qwerty2 »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:39
I would give any driver two weeks before they were begging to come off it again.

I'm on a 1in4 and the two weeks that I work 5 days in a row almost kill me and that's without double and triple mail every day.

The thought of doing that every week would probably see me heading for the door so no uproar from this driver.
15+ years ago Everyone used to work 6 days a week and bags were heavier with bills, sky/cable mags etc
chickenwittle
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Re: Non drivers

Post by chickenwittle »

Londonsburning wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 16:16
chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 16:02
Londonsburning wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:49
chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:46
Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:39
I would give any driver two weeks before they were begging to come off it again.

I'm on a 1in4 and the two weeks that I work 5 days in a row almost kill me and that's without double and triple mail every day.

The thought of doing that every week would probably see me heading for the door so no uproar from this driver.
I’m also a driver on a 9 day fortnight and would love Saturday and Sunday off every week .
You should try doing a 1 in 6. Would probably put you in your place.
Not really, your on a shorter day compared to me .
So your original argument here is that pure walking duties are better off than drivers, yes?
Where have I said that ?
Acca Dacca
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Re: Non drivers

Post by Acca Dacca »

Barnacle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:11
chickenwittle wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:04
Acca Dacca wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:00
Those without driving in their contracts will have been employed before park and loop and van sharing was allowed even an idea in a penpushers head

It wasn’t a prerequisite when we took the job no matter if it is now for new entrants and no matter if you think everyone needs to drive to keep a job ( they don’t )

It smacks of jealousy mate
Call it what you like but a mon to fri duty is a pipe dream for the vast majority of posties , except non drivers apparently.
I don’t even know where this Mon- Fri thing has come because the pilot offices where this has been trialled: it’s too knackering for a walker to do the walking loops every pigging day. That is what they have found.

So the idea now is that they are indoors on a Saturday in order to give them some respite.

The grass is not greener on the other side.
No Martin Walsh has just said that ''no postman wants to be indoors on a Saturday'' and so they are trying to come up with some sort of Starburst way of working to have Saturday shifts be outdoors too

Whilst at the same time saying the non drivers have a fatigue issue and that indoors on Saturdays is the only respite

yeah im baffled too
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
Gary55
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Re: Non drivers

Post by Gary55 »

I'm a perfect example have driven for many years at royal mail but now not allowed because medication. I'd happily take redundancy if they offer it but accept many would prefer not to
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Non drivers

Post by Woody Guthrie »

qwerty2 wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 16:27
Woody Guthrie wrote:
04 Apr 2025, 15:39
I would give any driver two weeks before they were begging to come off it again.

I'm on a 1in4 and the two weeks that I work 5 days in a row almost kill me and that's without double and triple mail every day.

The thought of doing that every week would probably see me heading for the door so no uproar from this driver.
15+ years ago Everyone used to work 6 days a week and bags were heavier with bills, sky/cable mags etc
It was 22 years ago that the single daily delivery was introduced and we moved to a 5 day week.
I know, I was there.
The delivery was 3 hrs on a bad day and half that on a Saturday.
Fatigue wise there is no comparison with what we're expected to do now.
Only dead fish follow the current