Non drivers

[Pidleypoo]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

They are choosing to not drive , they have a skill the business requires and are not using it , I don’t think it’s acceptable, especially as having a driving licence is now a requirement for the job.

Delivering all mail use to be a requirement for the job.

[Pidleypoo]

With the uso changes coming in this year will non drivers be able to sign for duties and if so how would this work .

The CWU should be ensuring there are arrangements in place for workers who are not contractually obliged to drive. These workers are not 'non-drivers', they have no obligation to drive. There will still be singleton duties such as town centres. There is no reason why a duty could not be created within a mile of the workplace so that these workers can be accommodated. Martin Walsh has dreamt up the role of 'van assistant' so that should accommodate workers too. Workers who are not obliged to drive should not suffer a detriment as a result of their contractual requirements.

You talk nonsense, if they have a driving license, they should be forced to use it or find another job, the business has changed down the years and so should they .

Let’s take this further shall we.

You’re not walking fast enough , the job has changed.

You’re not doing 50 parcels per hour , the job has changed.

You’re not committing to deliver , the job has changed.

You’re not working for free , the job has changed.

The job has changed so you now need to change job.

Utterly embarrassing comment from you.
[Thats a total fabrication, you now require a driving license to work for Royal Mail , these people have a driving license and are actively choosing not to use it .

Now yes.

Mine doesn’t have it.

[chickenwittle]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

I’ve said this before and i will say it again.

Unless every single duty is to become a single van duty then non-drivers are not redundant.

Unless they’re operating a vehicle at the same time which I’m sure is illegal.

Sad state of affairs on here with people wanting people to lose their jobs for reasons out of their control.

Btw , it’s now takes a lot of money and a long time to even get driving lessons and pass a test these days.

Are Royal Mail going to pay for it and seeing as though we’re now so poorly paid will the union actually address both things.

Who’s talking about people loosing their jobs ? If you don’t have a license that’s fine , if you have license and choose not to drive , that’s unacceptable.

[chickenwittle]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

They are choosing to not drive , they have a skill the business requires and are not using it , I don’t think it’s acceptable, especially as having a driving licence is now a requirement for the job.

Delivering all mail use to be a requirement for the job.

Lots has changed in Royal Mail down the years, 2 deliveries to 1 etc. This is specifically about people that have a driving licence, which is now a requirement to gain employment that are choosing not to use it , seems pretty straightforward to me.

[Rumple]

I wasn’t employed as a driver, it’s not in my contract. I am a proficient swimmer. Do you think it would be acceptable for RM to ask me to swim for them should the situation arise?

[chickenwittle]

I wasn’t employed as a driver, it’s not in my contract. I am a proficient swimmer. Do you think it would be acceptable for RM to ask me to swim for them should the situation arise?

Another nonsense comment.

[Woody Guthrie]

8,000 non drivers still.

3400 of that number can drive - they choose not to.

They should be forced to drive or leave the job in my opinion , the job has changed and requires you to drive and they are taking the choice not to , it’s that simple.

By that logic you should be forced to work a Sunday.

[chickenwittle]

8,000 non drivers still.

3400 of that number can drive - they choose not to.

They should be forced to drive or leave the job in my opinion , the job has changed and requires you to drive and they are taking the choice not to , it’s that simple.

By that logic you should be forced to work a Sunday.

As far as I’m aware sunday staffing isn’t an issue, in fact Royal Mail are struggling to find them work , this is a specific skill that some staff have and are refusing to use , it’s quite simple really .

[Pidleypoo]

8,000 non drivers still.

3400 of that number can drive - they choose not to.

They should be forced to drive or leave the job in my opinion , the job has changed and requires you to drive and they are taking the choice not to , it’s that simple.

By that logic you should be forced to work a Sunday.

As far as I’m aware sunday staffing isn’t an issue, in fact Royal Mail are struggling to find them work , this is a specific skill that some staff have and are refusing to use , it’s quite simple really .

Simple part is the contract and if it doesn’t state that I need to drive and I wasn’t employed on that proviso then you do not have a point. Simple.

Woodys point is correct too.

[Pidleypoo]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

I’ve said this before and i will say it again.

Unless every single duty is to become a single van duty then non-drivers are not redundant.

Unless they’re operating a vehicle at the same time which I’m sure is illegal.

Sad state of affairs on here with people wanting people to lose their jobs for reasons out of their control.

Btw , it’s now takes a lot of money and a long time to even get driving lessons and pass a test these days.

Are Royal Mail going to pay for it and seeing as though we’re now so poorly paid will the union actually address both things.

Who’s talking about people loosing their jobs ? If you don’t have a license that’s fine , if you have license and choose not to drive , that’s unacceptable.

So if I have a skill outside of the contract I was employed on that I payed for and was for my own benefit that an employer should automatically have a right to that skill ?

What if I’ve got a maths degree , should I help them plan duties too? Or a qualified chef ? Work in the canteen

[theargyspy]

8,000 non drivers still.

3400 of that number can drive - they choose not to.

How an earth could you possibly know how many non drivers have a licence and choose not to?

Maybe Royal Mail have contacted DVLA and given them a list of every member of delivery staff and asked for a list of all those that have a full driving license, then cross referenced that list with a list Royal Mail have of all staff currently driving, giving them a list of staff that have the sheer audacity to not want to drive for Royal Mail despite in most cases having a contract that doesn't require them to drive for the company. Royal Mail must then have contacted you Barnacle and given you the number 3400, If Royal Mail have put out that number in any document then it's going to be complete guesswork, and we all know if Royal Mail told us it's April we would have to check the calendar!

There are numerous reasons why staff with driving Licences don't wish to drive for the company when are not contracted to (I work in one of the largest offices in the country and we have 3 or 4 members of staff recruited in the last couple of years that don't have a driving licence and are on non driving deliveries)

So those members on here having a dig about those with licences refusing to drive "The job has changed, etc" when those of us joined the company many years ago it was not a requirement to drive so get over yourselves, stop crying like big babies. When I joined it was a requirement that you were able to ride a bike. I don't know new contracts but I imagine that it isn't a requirement to ride a bike now when joining Royal Mail. But imagine that the new greener Royal Mail decided that we are all going back to delivering on bikes, I'm sure some of you drivers would be whinging "I don't want to ride a bike, it's not in my contract!" and I would agree with you. I certainly wouldn't be saying "The job has changed, etc"

[Barnacle]

8,000 non drivers still.

3400 of that number can drive - they choose not to.

How an earth could you possibly know how many non drivers have a licence and choose not to?

Maybe Royal Mail have contacted DVLA and given them a list of every member of delivery staff and asked for a list of all those that have a full driving license, then cross referenced that list with a list Royal Mail have of all staff currently driving, giving them a list of staff that have the sheer audacity to not want to drive for Royal Mail despite in most cases having a contract that doesn't require them to drive for the company. Royal Mail must then have contacted you Barnacle and given you the number 3400, If Royal Mail have put out that number in any document then it's going to be complete guesswork, and we all know if Royal Mail told us it's April we would have to check the calendar!

There are numerous reasons why staff with driving Licences don't wish to drive for the company when are not contracted to (I work in one of the largest offices in the country and we have 3 or 4 members of staff recruited in the last couple of years that don't have a driving licence and are on non driving deliveries)

So those members on here having a dig about those with licences refusing to drive "The job has changed, etc" when those of us joined the company many years ago it was not a requirement to drive so get over yourselves, stop crying like big babies. When I joined it was a requirement that you were able to ride a bike. I don't know new contracts but I imagine that it isn't a requirement to ride a bike now when joining Royal Mail. But imagine that the new greener Royal Mail decided that we are all going back to delivering on bikes, I'm sure some of you drivers would be whinging "I don't want to ride a bike, it's not in my contract!" and I would agree with you. I certainly wouldn't be saying "The job has changed, etc"

Not sure why you are angry with me but to clear up the conspiracy, RM have not been dishing out this data or contacting the DVLA. As exposed on previous posts, I’m a numbers nerd.

It’s very easy to assume that non drivers have it easier. They don’t, and the pilots have shown that expecting them to carry the walking loops every day is ludicrous because guess what, they are human.

RM are doing their best to make the lives of non drivers unbearable. It is up to the union to interrupt that pathway to forcing people out of the door.

[Woody Guthrie]

8,000 non drivers still.

3400 of that number can drive - they choose not to.

They should be forced to drive or leave the job in my opinion , the job has changed and requires you to drive and they are taking the choice not to , it’s that simple.

By that logic you should be forced to work a Sunday.

As far as I’m aware sunday staffing isn’t an issue, in fact Royal Mail are struggling to find them work , this is a specific skill that some staff have and are refusing to use , it’s quite simple really .

None of your logical arguments hold up.
If you're not contracted to work Sundays or LATs or drive a van or even an HGV if you have an HGV licence you don't have to.

That's the whole point of having a contract.

I get it, it pisses you off on a personal level for some reason but if you're happy with ignoring contracts be careful what you wish for and accept the fact that it wouldn't be limited to driving and you could find yourself on the wrong end of it.

[chickenwittle]

Yes chicken

The business chose to change, not the workers

What else do you think the business should be able to change and force you to do that isn’t in your contract?

I have no license FWIW and never have done

I’ve said this before and i will say it again.

Unless every single duty is to become a single van duty then non-drivers are not redundant.

Unless they’re operating a vehicle at the same time which I’m sure is illegal.

Sad state of affairs on here with people wanting people to lose their jobs for reasons out of their control.

Btw , it’s now takes a lot of money and a long time to even get driving lessons and pass a test these days.

Are Royal Mail going to pay for it and seeing as though we’re now so poorly paid will the union actually address both things.

Who’s talking about people loosing their jobs ? If you don’t have a license that’s fine , if you have license and choose not to drive , that’s unacceptable.

So if I have a skill outside of the contract I was employed on that I payed for and was for my own benefit that an employer should automatically have a right to that skill ?

What if I’ve got a maths degree , should I help them plan duties too? Or a qualified chef ? Work in the canteen

Are any of those a prerequisite to join the job now ?

[theargyspy]

Not sure why you are angry with me but to clear up the conspiracy, RM have not been dishing out this data or contacting the DVLA. As exposed on previous posts, I’m a numbers nerd.

Not angry, if you're a number nerd as you say, you can't just state "3400 of that number can drive - they choose not to" with no evidence at all!
all that does is give those non driver haters on here ammunition to beat us with